From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:06:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87h6oj4mle.fsf@localhost> References: <87ledwx7sh.fsf@yahoo.com> <877cpfybhf.fsf@yahoo.com> <873503y66i.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32045"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 28 10:07:32 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaXHX-00087x-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:07:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaXGe-0001ci-9e; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 04:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaXGc-0001cS-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 04:06:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaXGY-0001BP-Va for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 04:06:34 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3D33240101 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:06:28 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1693209988; bh=KPBD6VInsaZXYaOwXN5xvKDucCiIW6Ek3R2q4FbvRhQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=kWvKTEHhgBTKvMghqfepUhVxAWh47fMoebwoj+fRqRRdE0pNlW9S3JDZg/0GggqqZ Y9GBBqr2nkjLwGt8M4vVixyFOQ0NlBkJwz3AiPhogYaql9olbEVPPaiiuBEqD1LzIB h+HsEYjJCCy1lN/pmnxCVnx7eEHn+KfMrK0bsjlMrdpzvNoZw8RPlr8dIlLm0CIi6P 9Ih6lrouopIkzkvizhpmVj8NKZHZDMPkbm8inlQXl59bwpWXejZDldfO6i1JGV5rTy x+rsB4+qxcQpxYrGrZFfcNAeouPNUyJWd2K8Uu/sFggZ8CQKsIsjm7fb3uKrIa+yr7 5FTjEnbBT98NQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RZ36X0GJZz9sFF; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:06:27 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <873503y66i.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -53 X-Spam_score: -5.4 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309410 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Instead of denigrating the C language, Emacs's C core, and so many other > components critical to Emacs that have been subject to unjustified > invective in recent times, why not direct your attention to a more > productive task, such as identifying the complex interdependencies > between different pieces of Emacs's global state to establish a detailed > plan for their interlocking? For this task, the most important tool is > a control-flow visualizer such as cflow, and an ample supply of paper. And we tried to dig into this question in https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/871qhnr4ty.fsf@localhost/ At least, the task does not look impossible. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at