From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:57:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87h6mekggr.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5scs9pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkcrrebj.fsf@gnu.org> <83msw6kidt.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32106"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:r4cv78UOJCo2SU43kSpKSliq7C0= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 25 15:57:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qveNf-00087R-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:57:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qveMt-0000ve-0S; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:56:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvdRp-0007BJ-Bb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:57:21 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvdRn-0000v4-Ja for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:57:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvdRl-00081k-DH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:57:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:56:17 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311844 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I also very much doubt that what people will find by using > "C-h f" and M-. will be "bugs", since such bugs would have > been found long ago. It bothers the heck out of me to hear > assessments like that which clearly hint that the quality of > our code is deemed to be so low; it is not. ? Who is saying that? And what code is that? > And again, let's not keep this discussion, as it just wastes > bandwidth and energy on something that can be found within > seconds by anyone who wants to know. Indeed, let's drop the cl-lib discussion. Our collective investigation into the matter has shown that we should all let it be. Muck around with it further, possible problems ahead for what in practice will be very close to zero gain. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal