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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: &allow-other-keys + &rest body in cl-defmacro (was: Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds?)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:21:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6k6o4l0.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm533cDxedUQju-975yWuSrn20AxXe+KonsyeWYF018CJQw@mail.gmail.com>

João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:

>> Now I feel a bit like RMS when he complained about CL-lib introducing
>> alien concepts to Elisp :)
>
> It's not Cl-lib's fault that the Org developers made a mistake and didn't
> understand how the Common Lisp tool they selected works.

I do not blame cl-lib. Mostly grumbling on unexpected concept that is
hard to grasp even after reading the manual (maybe, the manual could be
improved).

> Even in Elisp a zillion macros are correctly written in this form:
>
>   (defmacro with-foo (options-when-fooing &rest body)
>
> It's exactly the same, only you need to do the destructuring yourself.
> cl-defmacro simplifies this for free with
>
>   (cl-defmacro with-foo ((&key option1 option2) &body body)

It would be nice if this approach were described in the manual.
Now, there is just description of destructuring, but it is very generic.

>> What about non-breaking change like the attached?
>
> You should be checking for `keywordp` instead, because &allow-other-keys.

The only reason I used &allow-other-keys is that I couldn't use &rest
without specifying &allow-other-keys.
(I did not know about ((&key ...) &rest body) trick when writing this macro.)

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-25 12:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-22 17:27 Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds? T.V Raman
2023-12-23 17:58 ` João Távora
2023-12-23 18:06   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-23 18:44     ` João Távora
2023-12-24 11:50       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 14:13         ` João Távora
2023-12-24 14:48           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 16:32             ` João Távora
2023-12-24 16:36               ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 17:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 17:04               ` João Távora
2023-12-24 17:16                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:48                   ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:13                     ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:13                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 23:11                       ` João Távora
2023-12-25 11:26                         ` &allow-other-keys + &rest body in cl-defmacro (was: Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds?) Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 12:09                           ` João Távora
2023-12-25 12:21                             ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-12-25 19:00                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 13:58                         ` Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds? Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 17:42                           ` João Távora
2023-12-25 18:24                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:05               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:12                 ` João Távora
2023-12-24 17:18                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:24                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:54                       ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:10                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:16                           ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:23                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:56                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:42                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 14:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 23:14             ` João Távora
2023-12-24  2:43     ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24  6:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 16:29         ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 16:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 11:00       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 12:32         ` Po Lu
2023-12-24 12:50           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 12:57             ` Po Lu
2023-12-24 14:11             ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-24 14:51               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 14:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 16:59                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 17:26                     ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 17:44                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:01                         ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:12                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:16                             ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:25                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 19:23                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-24 18:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:11                         ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:17                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 19:31                             ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 18:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 17:56                       ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 18:50                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 18:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 19:05                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 23:23                       ` João Távora
2023-12-24 19:16                     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-24 19:24                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-24 16:32               ` T.V Raman
2023-12-24 16:39                 ` João Távora
2023-12-24 16:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-24 17:05                     ` João Távora
2023-12-24 18:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 18:59             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 19:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-25 20:02                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-12-25 20:03                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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