From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Cerqueira Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info download service Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:42:58 +0000 Message-ID: <87h6jiy5n1.fsf@brilhante.top> References: <5EC9A02F-DB34-48B6-BD2D-CB9E89A385D0@traductaire-libre.org> <83r0iwuek9.fsf@gnu.org> <837cknvkrx.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0iuuacz.fsf@gnu.org> <83frz4mmef.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33096"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Patrice Dumas , Eli Zaretskii , jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org To: Gavin Smith Original-X-From: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 15:43:33 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOIku-0008Q7-Hl for gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:43:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOIkh-0004cb-D5; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:43:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOIkf-0004bc-Jk; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:43:17 -0500 Original-Received: from forward502a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.82]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOIkc-0001gb-Fn; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:43:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-55.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-55.vla.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0d:230c:0:640:f8e:0]) by forward502a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 1679D6123A; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:43:04 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-55.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 2hlukC9mGiE0-oxyMfZ7v; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:43:03 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brilhante.top; s=mail; t=1705070583; bh=VsOLY389vvw5ICBauHMP0Eg3RYnn9nMbS+DtO/m4V04=; h=Message-ID:Date:Cc:In-Reply-To:Subject:References:To:From; b=R575pqZ5f6NIoN4/lSK2Zq2/m/SaybyJo6IQyvDAc/Bp+XGeWTtykzEgQLL1OuNIA tC8yy0NwMEYoXi+Ii8LyT7nScE/suKBP23U9KPLkvkL1m8P5YCXXL4Q4EbfpqX3Rp0 zS2B7oe7R8k+LbZ2hVdGRniUeMxLEZ18fhDUqjiY= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-55.vla.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@brilhante.top In-Reply-To: (Gavin Smith's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2024 18:33:41 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.154.239.82; envelope-from=dan.list@brilhante.top; helo=forward502a.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD=0.498, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD=0.01, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-texinfo@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the Texinfo documentation system List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3417 gmane.emacs.devel:314905 Archived-At: That is a Debian problem, not a Emacs problem. My GNU/Linux-libre system does not have that problem. And that would lead to centralization of manuals, and are we sick of centralization? Also, it will begin as authors having to upload their manuals to a central place, only to later that place having problems and having to make some restrictions, and then new book places arise where you could upload books with less restrictive policies than the central place, resulting in people having to upload to various places, or else no one will read their books. Also distributions stopped providing info books (they only offer a link) since there is already a outside place that hosts books for them. Leaving distributions without manuals, for a thing that should have been dealt with at the Debian distribution level. Now books can only be obtained by a JavaScript enabled web browser (for security reasons) and those info book places are praised as an "innovation of technology" by various magazines. The end. :-) :-) Things are good as they are. My best advice is to change from Debian to Parabola.