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From: sbaugh@catern.com
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>,
	Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Releasing the thread global_lock from the module API
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2024 21:41:38 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6hojoqi.fsf@catern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZeNUe+KQZEuFP8mr@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Sat, 2 Mar 2024 17:31:55 +0100")

tomas@tuxteam.de writes:
> On Sat, Mar 02, 2024 at 05:35:26PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
>> On 02/03/2024 07:57, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> > On Sat, Mar 02, 2024 at 01:53:05AM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
>> > > On 01/03/2024 21:30, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> > > > > - Unrelated Lisp thread B is able to take the global lock and run Lisp code
>> > > > >     in parallel with module_work on thread A.
>> > > > > - On thread A, module_work finishes and returns to Lisp.
>> > > > Why has thread A wait up to here? This is what's keeping your thread B
>> > > > from playing, no?
>> > > 
>> > > I imagine thread A will want to continue its execution when the results of
>> > > the "Emacs-independent work" arrive.
>> > 
>> > In that case, I think your only choice would be to "pass the continuation":
>> > in A, stash away whatever you need to continue, let A die, and when things
>> > "come back", start a thread A' to pick up where A left.
>> 
>> Almost, except "suspend/yield" instead of "let A die".
>
> This only if you can let Lisp suspend/yield safely -- i.e. in a way nothing
> bad happens if someone else gets a turn at playing the "interpreter" [1].
>
> I don't think this is currently possible.

It is currently possible: this is what thread-yield, sleep-for, and
accept-process-output do when run from a Lisp thread.  The thread pauses
execution and other threads execute.  This has worked since the
introduction of thread support.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-02 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-01 14:53 Releasing the thread global_lock from the module API Spencer Baugh
2024-03-01 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-01 17:34   ` Spencer Baugh
2024-03-01 18:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-01 19:02       ` Spencer Baugh
2024-03-01 19:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-01 19:51           ` Spencer Baugh
2024-03-01 20:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-01 21:21               ` Spencer Baugh
2024-03-01 21:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-01 21:56                   ` Spencer Baugh
2024-03-02  6:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-02 16:39                       ` sbaugh
2024-03-02 17:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-02 20:33                           ` Spencer Baugh
2024-03-03  6:13                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-03 13:19                               ` sbaugh
2024-03-03 15:42                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-03 15:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-01 19:30     ` tomas
2024-03-01 23:53       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-02  5:57         ` tomas
2024-03-02 15:35           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-03-02 16:31             ` tomas
2024-03-02 21:41               ` sbaugh [this message]
2024-03-03  6:25                 ` tomas

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