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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 95e1b656a917d5a7f2527b923b3cafc9; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 23:56:18 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 18 Aug 2024 15:27:55 -0700") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22544 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.190.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322909 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Thank you for sharing your informed opinion. I also can't see why we > should consider the 20 year old Solaris 10 a blocker for removing the > unexec build in Emacs 31. > > For example, even according to current Oracle communications, it will > reach EOL in around two years. "Even" implies that it will reach EOL sooner, but by all indications the EOL date will be as stated, if it is not postponed any further, and Oracle and related organizations will continue to support the operating system at a reduced intensity indefinitely. Why do you suppose this is, if otherwise than because the operating system is abundantly used? Fedora 40's remaining support period is shorter; should we not cease to support it any longer, in view of the one or two crashes in the PGTK configuration that can only be reproduced with the distribution packages, and which continue to languish on the bug tracker? > This means that by the time we release Emacs 31, users will already be > busy moving to Solaris 11 This is nonsense. It's impossible to upgrade installed Solaris 10 systems to Solaris 11, and being a robust system many users are content to remain there till hell freezes over. > If they aren't, they're fine on Emacs 30, or they can help us fix > pdumper. No one is ever "fine on" an outdated text editor. You agree that this principle applies to operating systems, but when Emacs is in question, the about-face comes very quickly. It's a waste of my time (and my organization's) that would be totally needless if you were not so trigger-happy with old and proven features. It's a-ok to retain pure space to avoid burdening someone with very hypothetical additional labor, but it's not possible to take a far less radical measure to conserve my time. In any event, I promised to devote some of it to this issue after Emacs 30 is released. > If there is interest in that very old proprietary system, and there is > some problem with using pdumper there, then users should report bugs and > volunteers should step up to fix them. According to Microsoft, Windows XP reached EOL in 2014, and yet its users are none the less inclined to the latest releases of Emacs (nor has it been prevented from retaining 0.38% of Windows's aggregate market share, in excess of Windows 8's 0.24): https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide.