From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: [arch-users] Re: Gud lord!] Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:35:53 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87fzmi3h1y.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1055034587.1439.121.camel@lan1> <87el256zha.fsf@wesley.springies.com> <20030609011846.GB19331@reactor-core.org> <87ptlo58ew.fsf@wesley.springies.com> <1055170394.1387.22.camel@lan1> <84he6zb7ma.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055205470 8442 80.91.224.249 (10 Jun 2003 00:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 10 02:37:48 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PX92-0002Bt-00 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:37:48 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PXTH-0004oU-00 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:58:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PXAN-0001Pi-1l for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:39:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PX9t-0001AI-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:38:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PX8Q-0008Si-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:37:11 -0400 Original-Received: from isp247n.hispeed.ch ([62.2.95.247] helo=smtp.hispeed.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PX7B-0007rW-2z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from confusibombus.gnu.org (dclient80-218-89-147.hispeed.ch [80.218.89.147])h5A0ZpKp029732 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:35:51 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAYAAABXAvmHAAACkElEQVR42s1a0bLsIAgzjv// y7kPd9pVKxKVdk6fzux2C4EAwR6QZBpcQEopIf3Fq3a52Lfh0Mjjk99zcWYBwA2ihEen9jVxfAf/ u0+Y2HQwNoVw4Dx34trRV6NSjiLPmfPt77jwiBxB/3PnZ3B2AGxzHnGu0wcBwAIAyQwZGvQhiFcy YLOFQcSB/MS82n3ec37vykNqRFTX9rVWR2U5+pZNIggll0CUOQN9BDdm1LfBmcZxIEqjL6r2JU/D galaB7Zg4jlY2ulnIx9OR4iMRl38CAFyKaA8jAxE7lNn650VKMULZ/54crqn0YQCJGQliebXkFIK hwqmGm28cgsSjz/hzRCMneQEwMjVoH3gWTtMPgIslJUV5uIluvUEkyzU+gUGQO62e9NuSdZCzNOM fDPC87iCqfE9gHinsIrSL16TPBfrYIeHzqKU90a50jCh54EcrgAUFo5ibzvebgr/I66USQ0CspQp IVSoBQK3WswDDIndIraHxoglqOjM1d044PQvu1NY0EHtqQR/XwJ+PeCs0x2dSlApZVw4MPER23PD 7JekoHxrqTRod/2Gx5nhx5dfAJhqPt7tDMIZxNN/7lOIaparPn7ZQ88drlORC2eLWXowxIq4gHTh VN1BSmsHoxYAbPWDTuGQuuecS+aYQUYpfr0YqPQOuuUk5tApK077+2xfOYP+XyWEIwPcE49lvT9N y2+wU2KylGGp4yxlALcm6fSlmgk62yfSsfNunDl5d6W91MBUoZw679YAJoMMkhijuXdFOL+khaL2 s+g3zy4APQuQvSc/BNAYnkl6E8ivYtEHJXa1dihE3zgnKMdNgN8DiIwgA17NykUMvFDQ+LALvXXI BuBLAHv/DvBmc/0HzR03PqXmLcQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <84he6zb7ma.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> ( =?iso-8859-1?q?Kai_Gro=DFjohann's_message_of?= "Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:20:13 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14977 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14977 kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: > I understand that branches cause pain amongst the Emacs developers. But will the pain go away when a new tool is used? Perhaps the pain is due to little testing, complex interaction between differing patches on the various trees, complex sweeping changes to lots of files introducing numerous bugs, interacting with each other... So basically a lot of pain is inherent in the problem we are facing: Building complex software with few developers. A different tool isn't going to change that. It is still complex software, and we are still few developers. That's why I'm against switching from CVS to something else at the moment. I don't feel like we're suffering much pain due to *CVS*. Alex. --=20 http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/alex.pl