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From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, miles@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: position on changing defaults?
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:35:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fxuxsg3m.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1JYlc0-0007F9-Vt@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon\, 10 Mar 2008 13\:16\:32 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     > I haven't thought hard enough yet about what his suggestion does, so
>     > could you expand on its downsides?
>
>     1) It binds special commands to the shifted keys, which doesn't
>        work for minor modes which put different commands on the
>        non-shifted keys.
>
> Can you show a scenario so we can judge whether this has significant
> implications?

I can only say that over time, I've had people tell me that when they
enable some xyz-mode, the shift-region keys no longer works as expected.
The cause has always been that the mode rebound e.g. the arrow keys to
some variation of the normal cursor movement.
Adding the 'CUA property to the relevant commands fixed the problems.

However, your proposal to bind S-<whatever> to a command which runs 
the command of the underlying unshifted key would actually do better
than that, as it doesn't need to know in advance what that command is.

Actually, I think your approach is the best proposal so far!

>
>     2) C-h k S-down doesn't show the doc string of the original command.
>
> We could change C-h k to DTRT.

Yes.

>     3) It only works with transient-mark-mode off, so explicit
>        region start C-SPC has no highlighting.
>
> Can that be fixed?

I suppose so.

>
>     5) This approach is already used by s-mark and pc-selection-mode...
>
> (Which approach is "this" approach?)

Explicitly binding shift keys -- but they bind them to individual commands.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk





  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-11 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 256+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05  6:37 position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05  7:02 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 13:33   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 14:54     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-05 15:44     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 19:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 19:38         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 21:55       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 15:34   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05  9:55 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 15:02 ` Bastien
2008-03-05 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:30   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 23:15     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  3:49       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  4:10         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  4:30           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:35           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:28     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  3:58       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 10:07         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 11:37           ` René Kyllingstad
2008-03-06 16:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 19:11           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 21:13             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09  1:00           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 16:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:52         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 18:25           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  0:35             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:46         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-06 16:13     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 16:37       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 17:09         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 17:35           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 20:38             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 20:40               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 21:33                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 21:36                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 18:10       ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-06 19:44         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-07  0:43           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09  1:00       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:48       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:07       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:08           ` Gregory Collins
2008-03-09  0:27             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  0:36               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:43                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  1:10                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 23:08                   ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11  1:00                     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  6:06                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09 21:51                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:34                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-10  0:29                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10  0:57                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  1:00                 ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  1:00               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:15           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 21:09           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 17:55               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  0:30                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10 22:29               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-08 19:11         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 19:26           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 19:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 20:03               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 20:28                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 23:41                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  0:04                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-09  0:18                       ` Stephen Eglen
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11 10:44                           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 12:22                             ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-11 14:39                               ` ido-mode (was Re: position on changing defaults?) Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:14                                 ` ido-mode Tassilo Horn
2008-03-09  0:27                       ` position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:36                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  9:51                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 16:40                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07 12:21       ` paul r
2008-03-11  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 20:43 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-05 23:30   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-05 23:45     ` Bastien
2008-03-05 23:54       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  0:10         ` Bastien
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:46     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  0:21       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 10:58       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-07 23:14         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 23:27           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  0:40             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09  2:18               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08  1:24             ` deactivation in "shift-select" mode Miles Bader
2008-03-08  2:22               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-08  3:11                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:27                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08 17:26               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 20:53             ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 21:58               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:34               ` Shift-movement selection (was: position on changing defaults?) Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:00                 ` Shift-movement selection Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10  0:06                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  3:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  4:11                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 14:38                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 15:06                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10 16:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:40                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 18:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 10:06                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:51                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:06                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 23:59                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  0:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  8:28                                               ` tomas
2008-03-11 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-11 22:38                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11 23:31                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-11 23:46                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12  1:35                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 15:11                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:54                               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:39                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-12 20:03                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:00                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  1:06                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13  2:00                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-10 22:32                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-11 18:38                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11  9:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11 20:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:41                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 22:33                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 16:46       ` position on changing defaults? Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  2:08         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  6:28           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:08           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 18:07         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 22:56               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:17                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:24                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:02                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09 20:53           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:52   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-06  0:34     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  1:00     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  1:18       ` Bastien
2008-03-06 17:07     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 17:40       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:12         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:35             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:11               ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-09 23:36                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:46                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:50                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:00                     ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-10  0:18                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:02                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-10 10:13                     ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-10 13:47                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10 14:32                         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 14:53                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  0:07                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-11 20:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:50                                 ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12  0:37                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-12 15:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 17:30                                     ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12 20:21                                       ` Dangerous shell commands? (was: CUA mode's C-RET binding) Reiner Steib
2008-03-12 21:23                                         ` Dangerous shell commands? David Kastrup
2008-03-13  0:14                                         ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-11 14:44                         ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11 15:09                           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-13 11:20                             ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-13 17:26                               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  9:25               ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:25       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 23:38           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 23:51             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  2:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 16:11             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-11 10:28               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  8:38         ` Making the command loop mode-dependent [was: position on changing defaults?] Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-07  3:38     ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 10:50       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  2:18         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  2:40           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:06             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 22:13               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:44                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10  1:00                   ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 17:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:35                     ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2008-03-11 18:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12  9:56                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 14:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 23:56                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  1:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  2:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  2:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13 16:57                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-14  2:55                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-14  9:51                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13  7:45                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 12:45                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 13:28                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 20:39                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 21:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 23:56                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 22:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 22:47                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 22:49                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 16:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 23:30                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13 15:41                             ` Chong Yidong

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