From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: mah@everybody.org (Mark A. Hershberger) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.blogging Subject: Re: [Emacsweblogs] i18n Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:26 -0500 Message-ID: <87fx5l8kat.fsf@everybody.org> References: <1e7a74211001281954h1295a717id942a4405dc98b25@mail.gmail.com> <87vdekbt60.fsf@everybody.org> <1e7a74211001310729s6b0c506cv41cdea9b19274fba@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265011150 7762 80.91.229.12 (1 Feb 2010 07:59:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacsweblogs@nongnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: smc Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 01 08:59:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbrBS-0000EG-5W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:58:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbrBR-0008GZ-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:58:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nbr5Z-0005r9-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38136 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nbr5Y-0005qd-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbr5V-0000Nv-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:32862) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbr5U-0000No-Sk; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:49 -0500 Original-Received: from superman.everybody.org ([206.71.169.163]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbr5S-0004Qs-SP; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:47 -0500 Original-Received: from 24.152.221.116.res-cmts.eph.ptd.net ([24.152.221.116] helo=dococt.everybody.org) by superman.everybody.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nbr5F-0000mq-0p; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:52:38 -0500 X-URL: http://hexmode.com/ In-Reply-To: <1e7a74211001310729s6b0c506cv41cdea9b19274fba@mail.gmail.com> (smc@manticore.es's message of "Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:29:00 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 24.152.221.116 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mah@everybody.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on superman.everybody.org) X-detected-operating-system: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120769 gmane.emacs.blogging:84 Archived-At: smc writes: > As I can see, the Translatewiki system is also based in gettext, but with > a web interface, like Drupal does. It doesn't use gettext() but the system is based on gettext(). And the point is not the UI. The point is the number of people who work on translateWiki and can produce translations in multiple languages quickly. If you prefer something more emacsy, I'm sure that can be done. I certainly prefer emacs: I have a mediawiki.el mode for writing wiki pages. I don't know enough to say whether _"string" is a viable way to mark up text in Emacs Lisp, but my first guess is that it isn't =E2=80=94 not witho= ut work done to the internals. However, we could define a _ function so that we can wrap strings like this: (_ "message") Which wouldn't be a simple, but could work. > It is a deep misconception to think that Emacs is not for this kind of > people. With Emacs, we could solve a very large range of their needs. > (Emacs is also for _the secretaries_, Stallman said in 1981; this is > our starting point, but not only for English secretaries, I suppose.) I hope not! If I can help emacs use spread to non-English-speaking secretaries by providing a multi-lingual weblogger.el, I'm all for it! Mark. --=20 http://hexmode.com/ The only alternative to Tradition is bad tradition. =E2=80=94 Jaraslov Pelikan