From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The copyright issue Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:40:12 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128302 Archived-At: Uday S Reddy writes: > Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > >> BTW, you forgot David Reitter, who must fork because Aquamacs is >> dedicated to implementing features that make his proprietary platform >> (the Mac) more attractive for users than free platforms -- and such >> features are not allowed as a matter of Emacs policy. > > I suppose this is a legal issue, and can't just be settled by > newsgroup debates. > > But it seems that the FSF copyright policy has become a bugbear, which > might not have been the original intention. It is a popular misconception that Richard must be oblivious to the consequences of what he is doing. If you bother to check, you'll find that not only has he been very consistent for the last 30 years, but also the effects have been basically the intended and predicted ones. There are consequences to the decisions and policies, and some people don't like the consequences. If people bothered to check them for consistency with the stated goals, they'd find them likely not just intentional but also effective. > The current situation is highly asymmetric. Anybody, including a > private corporation, can use the FSF codebase to develop their > variants, but Gnu Emacs can't use their enhancements to enrich itself. That's a consequence of having Emacs be a piece of software intentionally keeping the copyright limited to few parties. If you want to keep the GPL on a work of yours strongly enforceable, it is safest not to reap any of the benefits you grant downstream yourself. There is not much case law to rely on otherwise. > So, Gnu ends up lagging behind and, perhaps in cases like Aquamacs, > not even being able to enter the territory. It leads to more and more > forking, making life hard for the package developers and becoming a > disservice to the users. > > Can't we find a way out of this dilemma? No. While it has been popular to "debate" this "dilemma" for the past 30 years, nothing has changed regarding the origin and evaluation of the underlying choices. -- David Kastrup