From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: No sources for lisp/international/uni-*.el? Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:14:11 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143002 Archived-At: Ulrich Mueller writes: >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Aug 2011, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> Could somebody please explain how this issue is different from >> the recent one with the CEDET grammar files? > >> According to my not totally reliable memory, we concluded that both >> forms of these files were equally valid as the "source code", >> because they were equally handy for making any changes. > > Hm, for example lisp/international/uni-name.el doesn't look like "the > preferred form of the work for making modifications to it". The file > rather has the appearence of line noise. ;-) Pretty much so. Starting comment: ;; Copyright (C) 1991-2009 Unicode, Inc. ;; This file was generated from the Unicode data files at ;; http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/. ;; See lisp/international/README for the copyright and permission notice. Followed by something looking like line noise indeed. The respective README says The following files in this directory are derived from the Unicode Data File at http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt, downloaded on 2006-05-23: charprop.el uni-bidi.el uni-category.el uni-combining.el uni-comment.el uni-decimal.el uni-decomposition.el uni-digit.el uni-lowercase.el uni-mirrored.el uni-name.el uni-numeric.el uni-old-name.el uni-titlecase.el uni-uppercase.el These files were generated from UnicodeData.txt using unidata-gen.el, which is not included in the Emacs distribution; it can be found in the admin/unidata directory of the Emacs source repository at https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/emacs/ The file UnicodeData.txt is used under the terms of the following Copyright and Permission Notice: Copyright (C) 1991-2009 Unicode, Inc. All rights reserved. Distributed under the Terms of Use in http://www.unicode.org/copyright.html. 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