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From: Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: draft for DEL key poll
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:26:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fwjhrs2i.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110928075430.GA2337@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:54:30 +0000")

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

Hi Alan,

> I sincerely hope we won't be introducing too many more behaviours
> which are "standard" in modern GUIs.

Yes, I hope we incorporate (or invent) only behaviors that make sense
and improve editing.  And in this concrete case (or, say, comment-dwim,
M-;), I actually like this special behavior.

> > Some Emacs commands perform a certain operation on the region when
> > it is active.  In general, this "act on region" behavior does not
> > draw a distinction between a region made with the mouse (or
> > shift-selection) and a region made "normally" (e.g. by C-SPC
> > followed by point motion).  In previous Emacs releases, a special
> > exception was made for the DEL and delete keys.  This exception has
> > now been dropped.
>
> I cannot let you get away with this epistemological conflation.  These
> other commands do not act _ON_ the region.  They act _IN_ the region.
> delete was not previously an exception - they did their normal thing
> at the boundary of the region.

Well, there's no way to be *not* at the boundary of the region, right?
So there couldn't be any special behavior if at the region boundaries
any command had to act "normally."

> As a matter of interest, in the proposed default configuration, how
> does one delete a single character at a boundary of an "active"
> region?

I deactivate the region (C-g), delete the character (DEL), and
reactivate the region with `C-x C-x'.  But this situation occurs (for
me) much less frequently than the situation where I want to delete the
complete active region, so I'm happy that I can now simply hit DEL
instead of C-w.

Bye,
Tassilo



  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-28  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-26  3:57 Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Chong Yidong
2011-09-26  4:46 ` Leo
2011-09-26 18:43   ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 23:21     ` Leo
2011-09-26  7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26  8:23   ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-26 23:05   ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-09-26 11:12 ` Neal Becker
2011-09-26 11:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13  4:50     ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-10-13  8:58       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 16:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 17:14   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 17:39     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 18:50       ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 17:07 ` Bastien
2011-09-26 17:26 ` Rasmus
2011-09-26 21:12 ` draft for DEL key poll Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 21:38   ` Karl Fogel
2011-09-26 22:02     ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-27  6:30       ` Stefan Reichör
2011-09-27 16:34       ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-28 22:48         ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-29  2:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-30  3:42             ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 22:38   ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) chad
2011-09-26 23:10     ` disable delete-selection-mode? Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 16:34     ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) Richard Stallman
2011-09-27  0:08   ` draft for DEL key poll Juri Linkov
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27  0:52   ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 18:49     ` James Cloos
2011-09-28  7:54     ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-28  8:26       ` Tassilo Horn [this message]
2011-09-28  9:53         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-28 17:44       ` chad
2011-09-29 10:49         ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-29 17:56           ` chad
2011-09-29 23:17             ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2011-09-30  0:04               ` chad
2011-09-30 21:03             ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 21:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-01  6:03                 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-09-27  0:59   ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 23:00 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-26 23:58   ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-27  0:30     ` Ota, Takaaki
2011-10-01  0:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 16:11   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 22:56     ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-03 23:42       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 23:43         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 10:18     ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 10:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:28         ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 11:37           ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:07             ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:18               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:27                 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:29                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:31                     ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 19:46                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:46                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:52         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 13:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:21         ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 14:48           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:27       ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:48       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 14:02         ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13  1:54         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13  3:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13  4:04             ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 16:15             ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-13 22:54               ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-15  1:32                 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 14:17           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 17:15             ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 23:34               ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-18 23:55                 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-13 14:28           ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 14:49             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-07 19:25 ` nabil-82
2011-10-08  6:20   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 16:38     ` nabil-82
2011-10-09  4:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 13:02         ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 17:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11  1:39       ` Kenichi Handa
2011-10-12 13:04         ` nabil-82
2011-10-12 15:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:58             ` nabil-82
2011-10-13  8:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 21:01     ` Glenn Morris

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