From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:19:13 +0000 Message-ID: <87fwemb82m.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87zkcubbfc.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87r4y6bams.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <4F3198CE.9000900@dancol.org> <20120207221653.GC17530@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328653169 24285 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2012 22:19:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Lennart Borgman , Emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Daniel Colascione , Drew Adams To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 07 23:19:27 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RutNk-0005Gi-FA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:19:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45768 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RutNj-0005Gr-VD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42325) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RutNh-0005Gb-Fo for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:19:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RutNg-0002e5-Hk for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:19:21 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:39149 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RutNg-0002dq-7u for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:19:20 -0500 Original-Received: from esperi.org.uk (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q17MJEa1001042; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:19:14 GMT Original-Received: (from nix@localhost) by esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q17MJDib023387; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:19:13 GMT Emacs: because Hell was full. In-Reply-To: <20120207221653.GC17530@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:16:53 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-URT-Metrics: spindle 1060; Body=7 Fuz1=7 Fuz2=7 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148325 Archived-At: On 7 Feb 2012, Alan Mackenzie said: > Testing awk-face-1.awk (fonts) Buffer is read-only: # > > . This doesn't happen with XEmacs (though other errors do). Thank you! Something for me to look at this weekend :) I may get nowhere, we'll see... >> The latest objection is that dumping CL would Emacs would increase the >> size of the printed and bound Emacs Lisp Reference Manual from the >> FSF. I find this objection unconvincing because it applies to _any_ new >> feature, and I don't think we're against adding new features to Emacs. > > I'd recommend not changing the policy on CL until it acquires a rigorous > test suite. I don't really trust it beyond use at byte-compile time. To be honest, if the errors are that weird they may not be in cl at all but in the Lisp evaluator (it is unarguable that cl makes use of some elisp features to a degree that few other packages do). If the bug is in there, would it still suggest that a cl testsuite was necessary? -- NULL && (void)