From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:54:49 +0900 Message-ID: <87fw8be692.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343523301 3026 80.91.229.3 (29 Jul 2012 00:55:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Michael Reilly , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 29 02:54:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SvHmb-0001mF-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:54:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46822 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvHmb-0001sE-Bb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57402) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvHmY-0001ry-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvHmX-0006vA-S7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:54:54 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:57188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvHmX-0006v6-Io; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:54:53 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.195.114.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.195.114] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1SvHmU-0006IY-Rd; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:54:50 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8024CE032; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:54:49 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:58:02 -0400") Original-Lines: 31 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.73 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151943 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Someone tell me again why it is a bad idea to develop a > Chrome/Chromium (browser or Chrome OS) plugin that is > essentially just the basic Emacs bits that we know and love? > > For one thing, I am concerned people might use it in Chrome, which > is nonfree software with a universal back door. If that caught on, > it would be a disaster in terms of our primary goal: giving users > freedom. Wait, doesn't Emacs run on lots of nonfree systems? > The underlying premise is that there are no "desktop" apps > available on this imagined system, just web apps and browser > plugins. Is this a meaningful distinction? I mean, on a system where the browser is the main "shell," and the browser makes sufficiently powerful mechanisms available, isn't a web app / browser plugin an "app" as far as the user can tell? > That IS a disaster, in terms of users' freedom. It pushes users > into total dependence on servers. What if it's their server ...? -miles -- Kilt, n. A costume sometimes worn by Scotchmen [sic] in America and Americans in Scotland.