From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic Ferrier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:00:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87fvfoxcoe.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87sijqxzr2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <877g11c8wh.fsf@gmx.us> <87wq91uhe8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <8738bpc6qv.fsf@gmx.us> <87oaucvrlp.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87lhpg8ooc.fsf@gmx.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411113654 13457 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2014 08:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: magnars@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Rasmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 10:00:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUt7U-0004Xm-Vp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:00:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56670 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUt7U-0005Xo-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:00:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUt7J-0005XY-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:00:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUt7E-00076c-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:00:33 -0400 Original-Received: from static.17.66.46.78.clients.your-server.de ([78.46.66.17]:56590 helo=po1.ferrier.me.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUt7D-00073z-Sc; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:00:27 -0400 Original-Received: from nicferrier-dell-xps (140.35.155.90.in-addr.arpa [90.155.35.140]) by po1.ferrier.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DAD35AC05F2; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nicferrier-XPS13-9333 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nicferrier-dell-xps (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0095E6025D; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:00:18 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <87lhpg8ooc.fsf@gmx.us> (rasmus@gmx.us's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:00:19 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 78.46.66.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174536 Archived-At: Rasmus writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> >> If dash is a useful tool, we should incorporate it into Emacs. >> Who is the author of dash? > > Magnar Sveen (Cc) is the author of dash.el and s.el together with > contributors. This is a very big problem. A lot of non-GNU-Emacs emacs packages (stuff on Melpa, stuff on Marmalade) have depends to s and dash. So they can't be integrated into Emacs until s and dash are. My understanding is that Magnars lost control of contributors to s and dash some time ago. Getting people to sign papers will be hard. It's very sad. I am torn between a much more open and distributed Emacs (which I suspect rms won't like) and having Emacs stay guaranteed free and pretty much consistent. But that's what we did when we introduced packages. How else did people think it would end? Nic