From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:07:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87fvcl47h5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87388mme16.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87a92u86wv.fsf@gnu.org> <548A6893.4020403@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418371660 31713 80.91.229.3 (12 Dec 2014 08:07:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 12 09:07:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XzLG7-0007pt-VB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:07:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55934 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzLG7-0003on-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:07:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44176) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzLFn-0003im-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:07:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzLFg-0004r4-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:07:11 -0500 Original-Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([2a01:474::1]:46338) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzLFg-0004qw-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:07:04 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75613C35; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:07:02 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HclvCfjQ2I-z; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:07:02 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from pluto (pluto.bordeaux.inria.fr [193.50.110.57]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FE02176E; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:07:02 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 22 Frimaire an 223 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0xEA52ECF4 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 83C4 F8E5 10A3 3B4C 5BEA D15D 77DD 95E2 EA52 ECF4 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <548A6893.4020403@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:01:23 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:474::1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179866 Archived-At: Paul Eggert skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> if replacing Texinfo and/or Info results in loss of functionality >> at all, that=E2=80=99s a showstopper. > > That's too strict. We should not insist that the new documentation > system must have every single feature that the old one does. It > should suffice if the new system is significantly better than the old > one overall, enough to justify the hassle of switching. Perhaps, but some features such as cross-manual references should be a requirement, IMO. (This discussion seems a bit surreal to me. It sounds like: =E2=80=9Cour s= ystem has all the features we need, but it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98archaic=E2=80=99; s= o let=E2=80=99s drop a few features so we can use something =E2=80=98modern=E2=80=99.=E2=80=9D) Ludo=E2=80=99.