From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:26:55 +0900 Message-ID: <87fvcacs7k.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419085653 14316 80.91.229.3 (20 Dec 2014 14:27:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Phillip Lord , "Allen S. Rout" , David Kastrup , Emacs-Devel devel To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 20 15:27:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2L08-0003yV-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:27:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34537 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2L07-0004aL-Kv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:27:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58645) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2Kzx-0004a9-Td for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:27:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2Kzq-0004Q9-Ew for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:27:13 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:40122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2Kzi-0004Oq-7Z; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:26:58 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D870C1C3927; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:26:55 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF8BB1A2CFC; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:26:55 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180376 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > With HTML5 you can use "ajax" which can make it very fast to fetch > small nodes. You simply just update that information on the web > page (instead of fetching the whole web page). Sure. However, doing AJAX well requires fairly sophisticated scripts, of the size that are typically compressed into an unreadable mishmash for web transport. Do you have a GPL-compatible package in mind? If not, development would be somewhat expensive, though not terribly so. It also would involve a local httpd to serve, or a separate format for, local manuals. It would also be rather expensive to add such capability to Emacs itself. If you want to maintain multiple back ends, that could get rather messy if you need to keep it AJAX- compatible. I think all of these are likely to be resistance points without a proof of concept implementation.