From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Maintainers and contributors Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:08:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87fv13xirw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <877fmjj9p6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87zizfm2dq.fsf@T420.taylan> <871tcr7yvq.fsf@fastmail.com> <87mvvfm0bd.fsf@T420.taylan> <56250803.5080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87a8ren5ys.fsf@T420.taylan> <56259BB1.3070908@cs.ucla.edu> <878u6ykmvt.fsf@T420.taylan> <87h9llvo98.fsf@members.fsf.org> <5626622A.3090707@yandex.ru> <87zizdijbp.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267302.7050606@yandex.ru> <87io61igyu.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267CDF.6010201@yandex.ru> <87wpuhh15s.fsf@T420.taylan> <562683B9.1060305@yandex.ru> <83y4exe71v.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445512141 22142 80.91.229.3 (22 Oct 2015 11:09:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Artur Malabarba Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 22 13:08:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpDjn-0002VZ-7w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:08:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58795 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpDjm-0000J2-MR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:08:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpDjj-0000Iu-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:08:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpDji-0007vy-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:08:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56844) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpDjb-0007pu-Sz; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:08:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42429 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpDja-00021M-GQ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:08:39 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E9536DF7C7; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:08:35 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Artur Malabarba's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:34:23 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192364 Archived-At: Artur Malabarba writes: > And then there's a fourth point, which is a little harder, but it > would really help demonstrate organization and respect. > > 4. If the same point goes back and forth twice between you and the > contributor, then stop arguing about it. Bring it up in a separate > place just amongst the maintainers, and then come back and say "Hi > ___, I brought this up with X, Y, and Z yesterday, and decided that > ___ because ___.". I'm not sure about that. I react _really_ _really_ allergic to people making decisions involving me in some more or less formal group behind my back about me in settings that are supposed to constitute a team or community. It establishes that I am not considered a member on equal terms with other members, since a group of members not including myself is supposed to speak and decide for the group. > More importantly, it shows respect, organization, and professionalism. It shows a hierarchy of authority and does not give me an opportunity to speak for myself. > This may occasionally give off the impression that emacs-devel is > super picky about the code it lets in, but that's better than giving > off the impression that it is a messy team with no structure and that > submitting code is akin to roullete. It is. Problems may or may not be seen in informal review. There is no guarantee that anybody may look at code, so some code will tend to get more scrutiny than other code by mere chance. If you are hoping for less scrutiny, that should make you think about what you are actually doing. If you are hoping for more, you might be out of luck, but it may well be worth pointing out that you don't feel particularly secure about parts of your code in order to get more people take a look at it. -- David Kastrup