From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rasmus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'. 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194179 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > John Wiegley writes: > >>>>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>> Maybe I'm missing something, but I think this behavior doesn't happen when >>> electric-indent-mode is off, which it was in previous versions of Emacs. >>> Isn't that true? >> >> Correct. We have several things in play here: >> >> 1. When electric-indent-mode is off, everything is fine. >> >> 2. When electric-indent-mode is on, C-o behaves in an unexpected fashion. >> >> 3. We should fix C-o when electric-indent-mode is on, so its behavior is not >> affected by electric-indent-mode. >> >> 4. We should disable electric-indent-mode by default. >> >> Since I wasn't present for the discussion when electric-indent-mode was >> enabled by default, I'd like to reopen that discussion with regard to 25.1. >> Probably on a separate thread from this one. > > I'm reasonably fine with electric-indent-mode by default I think. But > _exactly_ when electric-indent-mode is on, the need for a dumb C-o is > largest for me. I share this sentiment. I love most of the electricity and it should be on by default IMHO. But the change to C-o is for the worse. It should be "dumb" also at columns greater than zero. Rasmus -- Warning: Everything saved will be lost