From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:28:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87fuk08i01.fsf@engster.org> References: <87k29d7zvw.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1485804587 29804 195.159.176.226 (30 Jan 2017 19:29:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:29:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Bastien Guerry , Emacs developers , emacs-org list , Phillip Lord To: Kaushal Modi Original-X-From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 30 20:29:43 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYHe0-0007WN-16 for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:29:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYHe5-00010x-Ey for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:29:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40231) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYHdG-0000v3-S0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYHdC-0000eR-CA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:28:54 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:49752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYHd5-0000Yh-Ot; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:28:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=x9iusOYKsAYLqhxWoqa4gvxM6L6fbfwWQxRcliey4Is=; b=p1zEnpvsUsRC3j2YEPfkrq/HaPE7jKTMVPvu46byH9h2wwmSt2gxAfL1V/lYoLrdpsH4UZ7kd4nXxvazTv6zCjF5T+6gPd7Bc0GnSJu3/jG/cdkHm3Je7a37WO4bN7N1; Original-Received: from ip4d16b353.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.22.179.83] helo=isaac) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1cYHcx-0004eB-Hk; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:28:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2017 10:59:39 -0500") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:111760 gmane.emacs.devel:211778 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> "DE" == David Engster writes: > > DE> This is a misunderstanding. I said I wanted to move support for certain > DE> languages and project types into ELPA, not CEDET core. I'm still of the > DE> opinion that moving it completely to ELPA is a mistake. > > It would only be a mistake if other parts of core need to use it. If only > users make use of it, then having it ELPA will be invisible to them. It is a mistake because you are creating more moving targets and bring them together very late in the release process. This reduces the amount of testing that is done for those packages, so bugs will be noticed later and the quality of the relases suffer. It moves even more work into the RC-phase, which is already crowded and where people who can fix those bugs might not be readily available. It removes those packages from Emacs CI, so that breakages due to changes in core are not immediately noticed, and often times they have to be fixed not by those who created the breakage, but by those who notice them. -David