From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:13:58 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87fujupp89.fsf@flea> References: <87k29gsgam.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29cmq1u.fsf@elephly.net> <8737g0qw7z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vasvnvty.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmumrkzn.fsf@flea> <87tw8cr7v0.fsf@flea> <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> <8760krqtf9.fsf@flea> <87shnuq1z2.fsf@flea> <87vasqbqfw.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486181691 6377 195.159.176.226 (4 Feb 2017 04:14:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 04:14:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 04 05:14:44 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZrkI-0001H6-N3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 05:14:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37897 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZrkO-00081z-0z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:14:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55161) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZrjo-00081c-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:14:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZrjk-0001qb-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:14:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=38232 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZrjk-0001qD-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:14:08 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZrjc-0008Ak-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 05:14:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:qumR+8ShEXzkxpoF1e0Erlidom4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211952 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 22:11:31 -0500 Mike Gerwitz wrote: MG> On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 18:38:41 -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> Your implicit assumption here is that if any part of a service involves >> nonfree software (in this case, Docker Hub account registration and >> maintenance), then using any other part of the service (in this case, >> Docker Hub as an image repository) is against this purpose. MG> If using X involves temporarily setting aside freedom, then that harms MG> your freedom, but that's your choice. But if you then ask others to use MG> X, and therefore temporarily set aside their freedoms, that is a MG> different situation entirely. Mike, I understand all of that. The assumption RMS and others are making is that we're talking about the same X, as I said in the text you quoted. That's what I mean by "overreaching": the assumption is that any non-free software in a service (in this case, a web site) contaminates any other part of the service (in this case, an image repository). Coming back to the vegan/vegetarian analogy, if I eat non-vegan foods in my house but not while you visit, does that mean you can never be a guest in my house? This is not an extreme analogy: we're literally excluding tools, people, and communities because of things they choose to do outside of our domain. MG> If there is an alternative means to register with Docker Hub, then MG> perhaps it wouldn't be a barrier, because we wouldn't have to ask others MG> to temporarily surrender their freedoms. That would legitimize the assumption I'm questioning, so I would rather not divert the discussion down that path. Ted