From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why fido, icycles, ido, icomplete Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 00:59:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87ftj0eeum.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20191106212018.cnddqzlo5rpdhi6s.ref@Ergus> <20191106212018.cnddqzlo5rpdhi6s@Ergus> <877e4c1x3r.fsf@gmail.com> <20191106232153.bb756hrf4ctwegkp@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="146306"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 07 00:59:31 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iSVD0-000bwf-MQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 00:59:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37862 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSVCz-0007bz-Db for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:59:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSVCt-0007bo-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:59:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSVCs-0002ft-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:59:23 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:35050 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSVCs-0002eD-BO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:59:22 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iSVCq-000bnf-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 00:59:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:LaiEYrpIICd2rbyM1CypDR8deHU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241892 Archived-At: Ergus writes: > I actually have very strong feelings behind ido in 2019 (I know I am a > sort of apostate for this). But I think it is something that needs to be > removed/deprecated/substituted for the good of newer alternatives like > icomplete. So new users will try more maintained/ modern/ powerful/ > better integrated alternatives: like icomplete/ivy/helm. Ido is not used by default. What good does to remove it? > The intention is to move the users to the newer functionalities so they > can get the best possible first impression. New users are not exposed to ido at all. So I don't get your point. > From the software point of view it is "complex" to keep such a big piece > of code that nobody wants to touch anymore... specially if we already > have alternatives for it. People are not forced to work on Ido. They do because they want. > I think Abo-abo actually tried to modify ido to improve it and he > finally ended implementing ivy... was easier that way. I tried Ivy and decided that it is clearly inferior to my ido config. YMMV. Can we stop prentending there is One True Way of doing things?