From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 16:11:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87ftc0vujm.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <87d07xamrg.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <83imh5hby1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qxjpka.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="127634"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , emacs-devel To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 16 16:12:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZxYM-000X65-OJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 16:12:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40474 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZxYL-0001jU-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 10:12:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57980) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZxXg-0000wB-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 10:11:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:59106) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZxXe-00017y-KB; Sat, 16 May 2020 10:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE72E66A3; Sat, 16 May 2020 16:11:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RRm8zYsNpBwe; Sat, 16 May 2020 16:11:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6952AE658A; Sat, 16 May 2020 16:11:47 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/16 10:05:02 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250495 Archived-At: On 2020-05-09, at 15:51, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:35 PM Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >> > Finally, above practical aspects, assigning copyright is declaring >> > support for an idea larger than the FSF itself. It's a political >> > declaration. >> Could someone officially confirm or deny the above paragraph? >> It is very much false. By assigning your copyright to the FSF you do >> just that and nothing else, it says nothing about what values you hold >> or wish to endorse. > > I don't resist asking: does relinquishing copyright of a work to > the "Free Software Foundation" a "nonprofit with a worldwide > mission to promote computer user freedom" really say nothing > about what values one wishes to endorse? No, not necessarily. As I said, I consider Emacs an extremely useful tool, I may even feel indebted to the Emacs community (whatever this expression means), and I agree with _some_ of the values of RMS/FSF, but _definitely_ not with all of them. > Maybe. =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF I'm happy to clarify that it did, _for= me_, and > that's how I meant it. No idea why others did or didn't do that. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl