From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:13:58 +0200 Organization: GNU Message-ID: <87ftbp3lnd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="79305"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 24 08:14:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jcju2-000KWO-Iq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 08:14:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34590 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcju1-00023D-HL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 02:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38848) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcjta-0001cu-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 02:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56633) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcjtZ-0005dj-6W; Sun, 24 May 2020 02:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: from lns-bzn-32-82-254-31-120.adsl.proxad.net ([82.254.31.120]:51528 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jcjtY-0008OS-PR; Sun, 24 May 2020 02:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D2E71A604DE; Sun, 24 May 2020 08:13:58 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:22:06 +0000") X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251302 Archived-At: Hi Alan, Alan Mackenzie writes: > By contrast, org-mode is a monster. The learning time for org-mode must > be non-trivial. I think we should distinguish the org-mode plain text *format* from the set of tools that Emacs offers to manipulate these files. For etc/TODO and friends, I certainly do not advocate for using all the possibilities of the org syntax, just the one that's compatible with outline, which is to use one-liners for headings. > If we switch these files to org-mode, org mode gurus > will fill them up with obscure org-mode constructs leaving everybody > else unable to work on these files without leaning org-mode. In my case > I will have to relearn it each time I use it (since I will not be using > it enough to remember it). I am fine with etc/TODO being associated to outline-mode by default but I think the current format is not readable enough, be it with outline or anything else. Also, I don't think Org mode gurus (or anyone else, for what matters) can commit whatever they want to those files. -- Bastien