From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Philip K." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:16:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87ft7dn0um.fsf@posteo.net> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <87d02haj4g.fsf@mercovich.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14738"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Yuan Fu , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel To: Eduardo Mercovich Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 19:17:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJgUe-0003jK-Ul for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:17:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38410 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJgUe-0007XC-18 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:17:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJgTY-000768-WB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:16:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:53409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJgTW-00004v-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:16:40 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8292400FD for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:16:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1600535795; bh=YBRNrbnL3xuaOztQ9m+K36GCHbhFCcGMq1U8c1QwTjI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=fMLAVgYpXbr+0zlTvzAM8ul99WH2pNwk2Ja5ebISl3m3DBMO6kFTP5VbLZp8F8C/9 TbMppzSt5auZzA4USYjDkx5fLxLrt0KOu7bcSfxwvpGBGx0AH6pGmuaNPOKxp8sY17 4LoQqtvUkAaEnA6vdOz6pHfQRnztrjf4/AiGjppovq0wAVON0u671tHj9q64N7tAUQ 9hRU8MN/zqFcn3F02UksSLCpvfAauf3mnwM/2Ya91rHiEkdvhUjlGBlJFldKYQvVL4 KIA4pvGdxgdH449IrRun6bP2tPITcmaR/Or4isZiID6DH070epFpuXsxLF81uWFPCJ 6zzst78j2XLXA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Bty6V3l3Qz9rxG; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:16:34 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87d02haj4g.fsf@mercovich.net> (Eduardo Mercovich's message of "Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:20:15 -0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/19 11:50:11 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256205 Archived-At: An issue I can imagine is that a lot of the options that would be displayed in a wizard like this wouldn't mean too much to newcomers. "Helm" or "Ivy"? "Projectile"? Even Emacs-native packages are often confusing ("Hippie-Expand", "Xref", etc.). Without a way to test and find out what these options _mean_, you would only be helping people that could already help themselves. -- Philip K.