From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:00:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87ft1vsmf5.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87r1liblzb.fsf@gnus.org> <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> <834kic9g0a.fsf@gnu.org> <8735xwvusc.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn10ueld.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1lf9apm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6s3vrnd.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8gj9a8o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdfvq86.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7mb98g8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gjuaez.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft1v97bk.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn7u7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2r94zw.fsf@gnu.org> <831rdf91r1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11193"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 16 23:01:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lC8Pr-0002nu-GM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:01:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60040 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC8Pq-0003aG-Ik for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:01:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC8Oh-00036h-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:00:45 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:46766) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC8Of-0008CP-0T; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:00:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+RXDSSnlW2zSxLfgyT8/1RD6TwkEjW0frXLOCFaVx1M=; b=dNu52SCmVZ2slCaq+9fEQJEXBt Ye9S85nFQ60pks6Ue5HeRVJehss5u2pzoZn5e+v+Vt0tB1RkDgNknqvHnwQu89BbX7IFBsxlWq5S5 tQ3ibxBsWPf687T1B0HkVsjfeO6BnWfpKg59VVARDFkyD0LVZyrALC1j6uCM5ZRVfNik=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lC8OV-0000pz-GA; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:00:37 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAJ1BMVEX8/PXe3tebmJ2F gYeur80cGC1EOV5hXW1YWJkyRp4rJ1oGBQv////Uy7m9AAAAAWJLR0QMgbNRYwAAAAd0SU1FB+UC EBUtNlX5ioMAAAGQSURBVDjLrdPPTsIwHAfw7Q02DZjgRSfoHV/AEC48QEey3jT7ObebKBy4EYHi 0YOx3JlQzuVAX852HQv748HE72Fp+9mvbdrUMP4vJ7dX7WYV1Nxhv18FZ7+B7XScyqn+HtNOkjXs Q78+J4QsCOn2KCxjtkI6ltGYAVD6RZq9MF4yhhBW4/jOOMdCNiid+Hj/6ckCLATnCoQM39B3hPaz lS90DiBiGnHMIYxTEBk8bQXmawCcwkUKLN4KJNwQoiIwLLhAHkwL4K3UF7kACOch6XI3ZIUKngDy pmybB5Soxwjz86ATso9ZWAaOSRh0JseLc8B8v6GULCghlKojzkAoSKOhpuAx2RJjTOqSqXNP1xjo RYS+JHkjOIWHschHg4v61wXQu1r77ktUBu4FPrtvlaAeEAIQdMpAiDNcfV+OyxWT7qsHb60iNIKJ 44O8IlwCMvfl4C4qQI0DqMvZjQtwOnCcm9Fo9NwZZWk7jvWXN2HqZ1AFZhks9bNpV4JlVE1lmRJk hVmxRnWFbemKIhzlByMhk0QfJF+TAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTE2VDIxOjQ1 OjU0KzAwOjAwbZAp/QAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0xNlQyMTo0NTo1NCswMDow MBzNkUEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Portishead's _Glory Times (1)_: "Theme From To Kill A Dead Man" In-Reply-To: <831rdf91r1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:49:38 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264942 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think these nano-issues, if they are issues at all, don't come close > to justifying incompatible changes. I think that in the long term, taking care to not make simple things like making a command for a mode too arduous, is important. And again, I don't see what makes extending `interactive' so special here. We introduce new things in Emacs Lisp all the time when we think that that improves the language. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no