From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Stepping Back: A Wealth Of Completion systems Re: [ELPA] New package: vertico Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:31:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87ft01loaz.fsf@posteo.net> References: <9c9af088-580f-9fb1-4d79-237a74ce605c@inventati.org> <874kgkxxs0.fsf@posteo.net> <3ec7e2e58a100426a22e@heytings.org> <877dleb2px.fsf@posteo.net> <87blaq5amw.fsf@posteo.net> <87o8eplxgt.fsf@posteo.net> <1a701fa9-52e9-df8c-562a-6e793e2347a1@daniel-mendler.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39061"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Mendler Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 08 00:32:30 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUGis-000A62-6S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:32:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUGir-0000D8-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:32:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUGhy-0007nn-Cm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:35395) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUGhm-0008Qj-Cm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7382D2400FF for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 00:31:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1617834677; bh=GrfpqsNCdBXBs+5CJrgMyeiB3C2zk66LuA3UM7VG0oA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=ii4Mk8boZcmMIfZB6mZV9M0VAFh9Q5FZkJwpZGrHI9OdCE4MErLVelScR3UbIJgSb xLr8k1PWYnrXuScKk0UtgV/7Z6V0SHqUurvIHtPRN3R4cgbJPboZYfOK6yjrUZPtHg VjlqDAnVDH23Eu4zcTi2c9gdB0Ck3YNW6uiNouDC8K9gAkrj6TeRzUUd8xhRdr4BzZ NFylsWlVw5I+0iGXv546KQFGoYQpZmrp//Gr5HmqeoxIObhZVE7i4Oo5XAHuLpLggH tLVY0vtBBsciNUihz44lMjbBN8BvEhC7Vm0SJCG4wpEmtUcM23v//5Q2VserSuREGN am0fk0kGReUsw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FFzdK0LLSz6tm5; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 00:31:17 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <1a701fa9-52e9-df8c-562a-6e793e2347a1@daniel-mendler.de> (Daniel Mendler's message of "Wed, 7 Apr 2021 22:03:10 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267580 Archived-At: Daniel Mendler writes: >> I use the default completion system, so for me it is not about filtering >> a data set but expanding a string. Just to reiterate, this is exactly >> the point I am bringing this up. > > Well, but what does this mean in the context of opening a file? I > guess, you are not interested in the string (the file name) alone but > in the end you want to select a file? I'm not sure what you are asking here? I'm interested in the file, but I designate it by it's name. >> Well FWIW I'm not. I used Ivy for a long while, but ultimately gave it >> up. There has been a lot of talk about {Selectrum,Embark,Orderless,...} >> recently but I am not convinced that the approach these packages take >> are on the right level. The only way to find out is to try something >> else on the level I suspect there might be more potential for a better >> solution. > > Why? I would love to hear a more detailed criticism since I am > involved with those packages. You are again a bit vague. My vagueness stems from my uncertainty. I just think that the general idea (completion as selection) isn't what I am interested in, but I don't want to make claims I am not sure of. -- Philip K.