From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: oauth2 support for Emacs email clients Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 14:14:32 -0700 Message-ID: <87fsvqqlhj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <52589.36892.953561.24840@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40945"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Roland Winkler , Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 23:16:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1lc-000AQe-Fk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 23:16:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55316 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1lb-0003rR-B8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48342) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1kK-0001eg-TE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:14:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:36712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1kI-0006kR-RV; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:14:44 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (c-71-197-184-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.184.122]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5EF68FA0A0; Tue, 3 Aug 2021 21:14:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1628025274; bh=cUAotIcrR0fyqM1jBRfLmx/YCSDuvLLjH2VQ/pfel6M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=sDCQX1ygVcJKAvoruMEi7cfY3hV2sWk7jhjxA9JPtXPUEbzLgNrQbDHX/LkRTdMgw Kj6TcOiJXoFQh+NfU6pofWyufQmZamgX7fw8I5VFX9QlzA/7MyC2JLkZbdoyqYwOlE MSDMkzwGQqdneSeJ2VtNDsD6h9FLbMaKU0kh2BdQ= In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Tue, 03 Aug 2021 20:40:43 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=52.70.2.18; envelope-from=eric@ericabrahamsen.net; helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272002 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: >>> Someone might agree to take the legal risk to violate these TOS. >>> IANAL, but I observe that no other "small" free software project >>> (e.g. Mutt or Alpine) took that risk. Two larger free software >>> projects (Thunderbird and Kmail) took that risk, but their apps >>> were registered by a legal person, not by a developer. >> >> There you have something, isn't FSF a legal person? Is GNU an >> organisation right? >> > > It is indeed. If the lawyers of the FSF agree to do that, I would (of > course) have no objection. But even so, that would only get us to the same very tenuous legal position that Thunderbird and Kmail are in now, right?