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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272563 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's > example. ]]] > > > The nonfree programs include Finder (the default file > > manager on a > > Mac OS X), Google Chrome and Microsoft Outlook. > > The place where we state our standards about things like this > is the node References in the GNU Coding Standards. How about > reading > that, and thinking about what it says about this case? Thanks, done. It looks like this case is not a violation according to the standards refrence node because the nonfree programs are well known, people who don't use the nonfree programs are not likely to use them because of the package, and people who use the nonfree programs can use the free program that is the package. -- Best, Yuchen PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIEEARYIACkWIQRH+dBQHhGIeZBASUEhJn6T74bf0AUCYRz/JAscaGlAeXBlaS5t ZQAKCRAhJn6T74bf0Jj8AP0dWNIdsuNY0mTBXUeBsU0Pek6AyN1jbCkvHUYOl7NL qQEAotFWXo98WBLCdGh47JlvORHupq33K3BUCCFNaiKAtwI= =oC3a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--