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Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:17:07 +0800 (CST) In-Reply-To: <83k0hbw80c.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 08:45:07 +0200") X-CM-TRANSID: D8CowACnIjjzt5BhchPXBw--.19927S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1Uf129KBjvJXoW7WrWxXFyUJF13uF1fAF43Jrb_yoW8CFW8pF WYgFZagw4DJr18C3Zrtw1IgasxG3y5Aa4DJr95Gr1Sva1rXa4Sqw4xKa1rKFyjvw4xJr1j qayYkF1DC390yaDanT9S1TB71UUUUUUqnTZGkaVYY2UrUUUUjbIjqfuFe4nvWSU5nxnvy2 9KBjDUYxBIdaVFxhVjvjDU0xZFpf9x07U2385UUUUU= X-Originating-IP: [49.88.37.140] X-CM-SenderInfo: 5wxpt2lkx6il2tof0z/1tbiRRNL1GDuuKmDrQAAs4 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=220.181.12.15; envelope-from=tumashu@163.com; helo=m12-15.163.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279386 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/279386> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:14:39 +1300 >> From: Phil Sainty <psainty@orcon.net.nz> >> Cc: tumashu <tumashu@163.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> On 2021-11-14 04:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > On GUI frames Emacs takes the width of each character in pixels from >> > the font that is being used. >> >> Potentially Emacs could provide a defcustom mapping of fonts to minimum >> character widths, and if the actual width of any character is less than >> the customized minimum then the (larger) minimum width is used instead >> (I guess padding either side of the character). >> >> I've no clue whether this is practical -- I know very little about >> fonts. > > This could be done, but as I already asked up-thread: how will the > user know what value to give to the defcustom? Especially if Emacs is Try from 1px to 100px, until align properly :-), we find proper size Chinese fonts by same way :-) > using more than one pair of fonts, due to several important features "1 Chinese char width = 2 * ascii char width" only meanful in "table" style environment, for example: org md table, gnus, org-agenda .... In most case, it can not use many fonts. > using non-default faces? And even with the default face, what happens > if the user does "C-x C-+"? This is the most case, as for "C-x C-+", we just do not use it, or rewrite to a new function. As Chinese emacser users, we just expect align proper *in most case* :-) > > I feel that I don't understand the issue well enough, because it > sounds strange that Emacs needs to invent a solution for a problem > that was probably already solved umpteen times in other programs (and > I don't mean terminal emulators, I mean GUI programs). I very much I do not know, maybe other GUI programs less use aligned text to create UI. > doubt that those other applications provide such a user option, so > some more sensible solution must exist. --