From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proportional fonts in the mode line (one month test) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:18:32 +0800 Message-ID: <87fsrl2ilj.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87h7c1u0cg.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36856"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 25 01:19:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mq2U8-0009Ly-VQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:19:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44350 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mq2U6-0003Vf-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:19:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mq2TP-0002qz-M1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:18:47 -0500 Original-Received: from sonic303-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.188.148]:43682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mq2TM-0008KS-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 19:18:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1637799521; bh=rta6XaHj8/imBFOcxdZALW8NnVHu94LNuHTSDTm7sJ0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=DhFPMhDcYCZtkjRKNCr5PltcxlokBMWwaMYKVCuebUZeAFDUsJOGkda+b6UgXVSM/IvsiYVsawhzBkAt9J5luaE6ub7CkpvI6KzRrXmt8PfG9/7C/l6dJdjqebJ+f5PsL4+PWskcSV8oq7Qrz10kmjBOBGI1eGHmeojJjBuZfwXvey4hMPyMPF7M7UNIoIz9vUn96up/OY79RZnO0SCo6wleK054xaEeldukzwqwaIDL9Ha5HX83g5NfnwMHxM0CFa5vlOYRNeT+IA/V8+gihENLR3Nh9EKRQYDpPmUibdS+A3Er7n5UXvgnnrcVaKqqAamgDToo6GXN8j5KJBKTCg== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1637799521; bh=jzZFeFTbvVZ7Vp0kVNT7MbWAYa+iswqHVUtDqAte25U=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=SsiZ9HvtewvLdocJdxYzDpQAHl5hVbdk6P8qiBLjSns2nfw1PW8CGytvmEVafVpnEh5i+F3Mja7NSNbM7qiNfQ+Q65J3MTWrFaxmQj4SkY32C1asQTLac/OijX9GOuC8pfP14kzuDPfw+W7vgmJ1N2NQIavo9k0qYSLxHaBFWFqqJnwA3fDbS0UhNrzRrgu1/ig8mNEBlfKxR6BrlSkuhmnRWiwhZHtlwDQJWYc1ebZDyFtzH3TAc+1jxkxb12cVbbBBIZzym+gOU/Z0kj3rawSaru5Gn+/EuR5aVSOHrrKf6th4I94Ujs0URzwd5BwNoLFbfWxhZ/f2CCNTqKfGOg== X-YMail-OSG: VlLbd30VM1nE34ADC.BslKAHUdfkfiweCDHUGARJyLv1b1_9a.o2rw1KqlYXMDQ ictduQ212VHLepTdQpYcLTz0zuVnjU5fd3uIBakBEvImlst5q..9cjTbg4WibfK4lXWVY2rnTsxa Mu5G0r7WcogE8sYUDrnCAD9CWWceuvvf1mUGrJrk0MN1rZ5FOtwrIH.LMa1bNt7cBoAh0hSlYTgg ByBQ4XyINdMzWJVNzm7Dd3OTjYWcitXZcta3P1xrjnLG12exANAmHADqY6AID9lQEJektW9np8An UMgZfdcpas4r84DbDKwAQNmUpd1CQUudB3N_KGbDfkLBHmroKJjVHGIqg04uujBRFZNjmVPYrL9m .rli44BpqLJTcsYZzxotkM.SrEzT_Q9x8BhtLk5SWA2yUK7y2FAI7CAyZCs.9xtH1ieqrF1Rm0XM d7WmQBNEUVtnl0pwhwukQFY1i5aGKWXC2PxSc6oTgKB2grbzTYRtmNd.0NpBFpSDVCniUCeVRfOr _gFdmBm5smtU43dgMDALMQ1vGRZfafGa6C_CSVaDs0CRYXX9pdrJtEopwOlPvvRp2P0mQC.JQ7c_ 1xWJWVvw_bpmnf5ykcQ2T.o3_LqWp38QUSOciTUBDRcI3Ia1E1rcQ6_p76lEMMMS86GBfM143_ff LxMZyIgQWu7GAG3gwT5OmkkG6eZ5C0Hs5fOGcmjdS4nAaFxXceRgaN9vxvmuzCjpKC.M4XUQVBEN I41afNwwm45ubp2_oDIIlJlc3WPrsl84PHR7HcoCYMpNDj.svDA.vRTBc5hZG59x7Q5qlBELnhfl xZbe4NeNhJfSEVoZR3ZhAy1Wbj7HH.y2DKIy_uLYOT X-Sonic-MF: Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 00:18:41 +0000 Original-Received: by kubenode512.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f01cef8e8a84c4cd02dac924ed3e498e; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 00:18:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87h7c1u0cg.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:53:03 +0100") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic303-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280059 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I've now switched master over to defaulting to proportional fonts in the > mode line. Customise the `mode-line' face to get the old look back. There must be a better way to achieve this than modifying the `mode-line' face. We could probably set the face separately for individual parts of `mode-line-format'. Many external packages depend on a fixed pitch `mode-line' face. It would be good to not change this default. > I've made the most obvious things that change size -- the U:-- thing, > the top/bot, and the line/col thing -- use the `min-width' spec, so > things should jump around (for those that care about that). Also, please don't change the header line as well. For instance, the header line in calc that reads "---- Emacs Calculator Mode ----" is now totally broken. There are also packages that override mode-line-format entirely, such as 2C, and they now look bad. > There's probably more things that should be handled that way, but we'll > take that as we go along. > This is just a test: If everybody hates this default, we won't > proceed, This wording is shocking! Does it mean that we will proceed with this default if even one person likes it? > but we won't know unless we test it. So we're now testing this on the > trunk for a month. I don't think we should make master a place for treating users as guinea pigs, especially when the change cannot be easily reverted (how do I get rid of the new `min-width' properties in mode-line-format). > Vote in a month. This should be posted to info-gnu-emacs. Not everyone who uses Emacs follows Emacs development, and any kind of vote posted only to emacs-devel is likely going to come out skewed. Thanks.