From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dick Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Allowing point to be outside the window? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280920 Archived-At: > Why FUD? What is the fear, and where is the uncertainty and doubt? When you bypass large state-heavy stanzas via "if allow-point-outside" in central functions like try_cursor_movement() and redisplay_window(), people (not you or EZ apparently) get scared. What will likely happen is you'll palm off the new flag "allow-point-outside" (i.e., !keep-point-visible), which will default off such that none of your state changes will ever take. You will be content with having tallied additional slocs. The not-so-hidden cost of your change however is obfuscation, which I suppose is par for the course in the emacs code base. > just as I will with my interests You gotta do what you gotta do.