From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:16:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87fsqjvae0.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <87sfulx86y.fsf@telefonica.net> <87zgorvdc4.fsf@telefonica.net> <8735mjlick.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v8zfvbrv.fsf@telefonica.net> <87mtkrk31o.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mtkrvb6n.fsf@telefonica.net> <87a6grk2du.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40233"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xs85IqaVVSmhr4qLOTUZB4bEug8= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 12:19:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0M7k-000AIj-4k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:19:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38270 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0M7i-0001DF-R2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 06:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50038) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0M5q-0007Q4-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 06:17:06 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:38848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0M5p-0008Ej-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 06:17:06 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0M5m-0007z1-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:17:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282925 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Óscar Fuentes writes: > >>> Yes. In fact, some small businesses buy those PCs and install the free >>> software and firmware onto them. > >> Installing GNU/Linux and a Free BIOS does not make a machine 100% Free. > > Indeed it doesn't, but the devices Richard referred to are 100% free > with the free firmware and software installed. And those are off-the-shelf x86(_64) PCs? Or are machines with special hardware? >> Then if the BIOS/UEFI/IME were read-only the FSF would be fine with them >> being proprietary? > > Yes. The ME is undesirable for other reasons, but if the firmware and > ME were read-only they would not pose freedom issues, as they would be > indistinguishable from hardware. Then I'm more of a Free Software purist than the FSF. I'm interested on what rms says about this.