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[2001:44b8:31f2:bb00:5d8f:7b1e:3301:fed]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c142-20020a621c94000000b005180cf8f8c2sm10828449pfc.169.2022.06.06.06.56.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 06 Jun 2022 06:56:36 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <87bkv6t8mb.fsf@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::630; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x630.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290798 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> Michael Albinus writes: >> >>> >>> I have no problem if there are structured README.org or README.md files >>> in parallel. But a README file should be plain text. >>> >> >> I've seen this mentioned multiple times in this thread and it doesn't >> make sense to me. >> >> Org files *are* plain text. This is one of (perhaps the biggest) selling >> points for org mode. They don't use any form of 'binary' data and can be >> read just fine in any text editor or just using cat/less/more whatever. >> They may look a little *ugly*, especially with respect to URLs, but are >> still quite readable - a lot more readable than other plain text formats >> such as xml or html or json etc. > > I have consult installed, and if I want to read the package summary > generated by C-h P, I half of the buffer is just Org configuration: > > #+title: consult.el - Consulting completing-read > #+author: Daniel Mendler > #+language: en > #+export_file_name: consult.texi > #+texinfo_dir_category: Emacs misc features > #+texinfo_dir_title: Consult: (consult). > #+texinfo_dir_desc: Useful commands built on completing-read. > > #+html: GNU Emacs > #+html: GNU ELPA > #+html: GNU-devel ELPA > #+html: MELPA > #+html: MELPA Stable > > * Introduction > :properties: > :description: Why Consult? > :end: > #+cindex: introduction > > While plain text, it is not what I am interested in at this point. and in what seems to be typical in this thread, you have selected an extreme example to demonstrate your point. This is definitely not a typical README.org file - at least not from my experience. This is also a completely pointless debate as Stefan has already indicated auto translation to ascii will likely be what is done anyway.