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Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AE46C7EF6E1; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:47:20 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <87mtbxiswr.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:16:04 +0800") X-Rc-Virus: 2007-09-13_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2008-11-04_01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8673 X-Loop: debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org List-Id: List-URL: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-emacsen-request@lists.debian.org List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/87fshp4k88.fsf@melete.silentflame.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen:8076 gmane.emacs.devel:293745 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, On Sun 21 Aug 2022 at 10:16PM +08, Po Lu wrote: > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> Most users don't choose the toolkits -- they use whatever the >> distribution has configured. And since most of those use a variation on >> Gnome Shell, it's natural for the distributions to use the Gtk toolkit >> for Emacs. > > Can't we shout at them to do something else? I've seen the Debian Emacs > packager here somewhere. I'm one of the leads for the Debian Emacsen team, though with our present internal organisation Rob Browning is the person who decides what gets built, and what you get if you type 'apt-get install emacs'. Lars is right: so long as GNOME Shell is Debian's default desktop environment, it's unlikely that we'd change the default away from GTK, and I don't believe there is any appetite among the desktop and installer maintainers to switch away from GNOME Shell as the default. The only other toolkit build we provide is Lucid. If Emacs upstream explicitly recommended a no toolkit build, we'd probably add that as another option. =2D-=20 Sean Whitton --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJNBAEBCgA3FiEEm5FwB64DDjbk/CSLaVt65L8GYkAFAmMCYZcZHHNwd2hpdHRv bkBzcHdoaXR0b24ubmFtZQAKCRBpW3rkvwZiQAxgEACfYdoq+xaH29spx5NCQpKC pRic+TwBe1YmH4WUH5l8rrC8m+dnCmbrd9X4E3uM/G9iLVyIX4aZFplGPCPMIqsS BLaCQ0q2Lv8PzarIci/DPBUlkTOey/fkiRhoX93y8I3MjOtx6BCyJSgjFC2u9UXX 1LAxuiW//TiqjaT0fOvdpGZwrP5+cYbdMFPLh7995WGitxetaF0vE61XnVLPcrbs Bt0NkuEDfyKrdx2i2kh80ZGFavnlVj8lWHmMPuDgKxjcoz7h4otpFhiRBMc5aJPU UZDKFMIvMz355uME9fdgp7razxEAMfrEyVKXiE7HXqdp4GnTEwt8Wv7TskxC/oar XEbi1pdDorRy22Duwu0yOJFML8ur2/jB+bwy1W7ghOMOeiI7MSZh5/RfCqeyLngY RCVQ64HrwaVdSjZOI/mPXrOjztZalhHu0SHJ/bB4X9jaZnHtBfvu1NftM3fU3grz vUcXPm/pt+8Z1qFd5qSKQaypFIwhDVmB/D+jczyvgAGXgINxSJAKtS6UMoFxkxzL Btr1Q21CJ8VoR9THJ/1citOWDX6fMDg5WnXqoReJwPyfXMI8SSqVmUbFdunLvMjK CyhxfmwdtAnFF/l/yLY9BNE0xheHPisGNHUpHzDK5psiWyGENKteSUZnxgTzX8dO evlLXHN0Hctxtdpq8jzhpg== =0J4z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--