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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7fa3b13a1ee432102c93dd4e1a9ecbfc; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 13:23:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87y1sg5ntn.fsf@thaodan.de> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:01:24 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20826 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299649 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > I'm sorry but English isn't my mother tongue.. From my pov he wrote > misleading statements about Melpa which did sound like gaslighting to me. The GNU project exists to provide a free operating system. In addition, it has the larger goal of eliminating non-free software. By allowing packages that promote the use of non-free software (and even non-free operating systems!), and enabling their convenient installation from Emacs, the MELPA developers are making it harder for us to achieve that goal. So please don't be surprised if we are not willing to refer our users to them. > Some have issues with the FSF, RMS etc. staying out of the whole thing > was convenient for some. Those ``issues'' held by ``some'' do not influence decision-making on this list much, as they simply are of no relevance to Emacs, or free software in general.