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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311631 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > > If the above is correct, then how do you explain that in "emacs -Q" I > > don't see the cl-lib feature present? > > Because the files that use cl- don't have a (require 'cl-lib) in them. > Quite a lot of the function calls are things like cl-assert, cl-incf, or > cl-defgeneric, which won't cause the loading of cl- until they are > actually run. These are all macros. Unless you explicitly load the .el source files, nothing of these will cause loading cl-lib when the according code is run. Michael.