From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:41:13 +0000 Message-ID: <87fs209ora.fsf@localhost> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f4312391906f6101@heytings.org> <831qdlo084.fsf@gnu.org> <83msw8n43r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1fs75mx.fsf@localhost> <837cncmewi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27777"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 14:40:32 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvGhz-0006yz-Qo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:40:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvGh8-0006sI-6K; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 08:39:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvGh7-0006rv-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 08:39:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvGh2-0000ak-Qo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 08:39:36 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53EDD240101 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:39:30 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1698151170; bh=bTd7ehpx1x0QfmuCngcPNXYXIkq5wQTq5K8pD+q/J10=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=V/lQGqMsVX4PZ1+Uq2RN+Fqg32FNGJ2MUrY1m0z6G/vMcKyhjKX6dElmEZJaRVCnk 9OmqjgsPcG3d51R0dO2gW+hn1aY7OmQAVEXSgPXsHzDbDNU13kJVEJYToiCQ6nV4q4 fUBC89topLmvxWCYOr7jLqCg8lGBOhEBRPnxcLp9QsI5PWuloGT7/p0ABilDQ60STL VwoJEBhEHsB3PeonH59up47d4HDNHp8BarsIC9bASjNR9aioaBvpKijZDCMKv8ATaH 9OGcyVoaHISALPRvkVfdg7vJ2FGsiTTxib1Zj+3/vQzyinjPizorS39eY7mR6H44ye xlAEhxp305ieQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4SFBTF6KvYz6tyQ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:39:29 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <837cncmewi.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311784 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > Sure, but that's rather subjective. One could also argue that it is a >> > good thing to have certain symbols available immediately, for example >> > because they are typically needed. >> >> Could it be customizeable somehow? > > What do you want to be customizable, and how? What I have in mind is a custom list of packages to be dumped. >> I have seen articles using portable dumper to pre-load more libraries, >> but it was rather cumbersome and fragile exercise. It might be of >> interest for people interested in reducing the startup time to have >> a command like M-x dump-emacs-using-already-loaded-built-in-libraries. >> That way, users can pre-load the libraries that will be loaded anyway. > > Isn't that already available using dump-emacs-portable? Or am I > missing something? (1) It does not work interactively. (2) Even making it work non-interactively is not necessarily trivial. See https://archive.casouri.cat/note/2020/painless-transition-to-portable-dumper/index.html -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at