From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-30 baaf97ce1a1: ; Fix some ungrammatical uses of "allows to" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 07:26:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87frql8axg.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> References: <86h6b1ewop.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5gtal45.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> <878qwdv8uq.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6896"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 31 08:27:47 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1skHaM-0001eU-V6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 08:27:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1skHZf-0007ja-Fc; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 02:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1skHZc-0007jJ-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 02:27:00 -0400 Original-Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1skHZb-0000E6-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 02:27:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=kLaXbJKtqDFZFpNBO58KwaTEhwe/X7HK9J5PElpucXeAxvp8ZI+TC0apc4a82nSU3wz06RhmFMmL3YTjF6hCwyVBoSr9ideCLG2M+TBNFiAzwoy/gt64oVuOj9d1kKpxeDP8GtyqAQ042pjcoN+bzQiUepL74d+UYZTAoLxNi3eI2WSCjILbrPyqsKfqZP7wIZLGWZ/rwzpv/oKdfcNYcs+6POTatqun8VzPuv+IKDkbAzCoH7X6TswlpuMWPxdOgopENi4EDa+j7bjKrH2VijeLtRFHlEqnHuxvKKhrq2r9P/DEubSb2O9AcvUBchr5VUvACMI7j16Q1e/R6hkxrw==; s=purelymail3; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=OfDqut5aaSliO0XCwLi3oI3qeg0IV/5NuYjLl/9k2qY=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=oVZzoWptfQ4hb1TW/stgnB4DfvftAj7pJhFSk+WaFncmfX6paGPK6FNWMM4SNlFEhgbfsod9kKvcuDvQtdGUci3/noqfzgjEZK9VLok9EDgn7LcocIrmJuw6p8W62mJjAs6dcecSfcsTVC+HZ5NFjd1i0ds0zSfmBIyTGAwYH5/FEkues3QGsFbJqpEUnT/NNA9pyPnHtwNmBC7x0ULYl9dNQ8A9ifrtfblOweMukMuED422jyX8oiZlAGN92zLwnHXDPCxlhWtE5Bjkl6x+BibQP387oAlXa1gGZJE8FKtYUJgKEQ2j9n8ULywx3Rua1bS2aMxkbIs/3MepGNvjww==; s=purelymail3; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=OfDqut5aaSliO0XCwLi3oI3qeg0IV/5NuYjLl/9k2qY=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -805128621; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sat, 31 Aug 2024 06:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by zephyr.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D78D79405ED; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 07:26:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <878qwdv8uq.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sat, 31 Aug 2024 08:23:09 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323227 Archived-At: Hello, On Sat 31 Aug 2024 at 08:23am +08, Po Lu wrote: > AFAIK this construct is taught in the German education system, which > probably gives rise to the bulk of its users. Not to imply that it > isn't ungrammatical. I have a qualification in teaching English as a foreign language and did so for two years. It feels like every country has its own set of both incorrect and highly unidiomatic bits of English that somehow survive on its syllabi. (And I assume the same is true for other languages taught in English-speaking countries.) I haven't taught Germans, so thank you for sharing this. -- Sean Whitton