From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:33:43 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87ekx0dne0.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067182601 27763 80.91.224.253 (26 Oct 2003 15:36:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 26 16:36:39 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ADmwZ-00025k-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:36:39 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ADmwY-0003uW-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:36:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADmuP-0002O9-P8 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:34:25 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ADmuK-0002O3-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:34:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ADmtn-0001cY-Sv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:34:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [62.2.95.247] (helo=smtp.hispeed.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1ADmtn-0001Tu-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:33:47 -0500 Original-Received: from confusibombus.emacswiki.org (dclient217-162-143-113.hispeed.ch [217.162.143.113]) by smtp.hispeed.ch (8.12.6/8.12.6/tornado-1.0) with ESMTP id h9QFXgqb012763 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:33:43 +0100 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAYAAABXAvmHAAACkElEQVR42s1a0bLsIAgzjv// y7kPd9pVKxKVdk6fzux2C4EAwR6QZBpcQEopIf3Fq3a52Lfh0Mjjk99zcWYBwA2ihEen9jVxfAf/ u0+Y2HQwNoVw4Dx34trRV6NSjiLPmfPt77jwiBxB/3PnZ3B2AGxzHnGu0wcBwAIAyQwZGvQhiFcy YLOFQcSB/MS82n3ec37vykNqRFTX9rVWR2U5+pZNIggll0CUOQN9BDdm1LfBmcZxIEqjL6r2JU/D galaB7Zg4jlY2ulnIx9OR4iMRl38CAFyKaA8jAxE7lNn650VKMULZ/54crqn0YQCJGQliebXkFIK hwqmGm28cgsSjz/hzRCMneQEwMjVoH3gWTtMPgIslJUV5uIluvUEkyzU+gUGQO62e9NuSdZCzNOM fDPC87iCqfE9gHinsIrSL16TPBfrYIeHzqKU90a50jCh54EcrgAUFo5ibzvebgr/I66USQ0CspQp IVSoBQK3WswDDIndIraHxoglqOjM1d044PQvu1NY0EHtqQR/XwJ+PeCs0x2dSlApZVw4MPER23PD 7JekoHxrqTRod/2Gx5nhx5dfAJhqPt7tDMIZxNN/7lOIaparPn7ZQ88drlORC2eLWXowxIq4gHTh VN1BSmsHoxYAbPWDTuGQuuecS+aYQUYpfr0YqPQOuuUk5tApK077+2xfOYP+XyWEIwPcE49lvT9N y2+wU2KylGGp4yxlALcm6fSlmgk62yfSsfNunDl5d6W91MBUoZw679YAJoMMkhijuXdFOL+khaL2 s+g3zy4APQuQvSc/BNAYnkl6E8ivYtEHJXa1dihE3zgnKMdNgN8DiIwgA17NykUMvFDQ+LALvXXI BuBLAHv/DvBmc/0HzR03PqXmLcQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: (Dave Love's message of "Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:10:28 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17438 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17438 Dave Love writes: > The trouble with `language' environments is that they have little to > do with the language per se. If you're not going by system defaults > (locales), I think you want to provide orthogonal customization of > language, codeset, and other features. If you lump them all together, > you'll have probably four for each Western European language: latin-1, > latin-9, windows-1252 and utf-8. Then multiply by two or three for > the possible input methods. Then the calendar is different in > territories with the same language... I agree with Dave Love. Take Switzerland as an example, and let us only talk about German and French, excluding Italian and Rhaeto-Romance. We speak German, but we use a different ispell dictionary because instead of a sharp s we use double-s, and we use our own keyboard layout. We use any of the four coding systems Dave lists. We use a different date format (last time I checked). The French speaking Swiss use the French ispell dictionary, but they, too, have a different keyboard layout. The language per se is not enough information. Alex. -- http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/ There is no substitute for experience.