From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:22:27 -0600 Message-ID: <87ek54lbp8.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> References: <87lkzo1s34.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87r79fuf4z.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87u0e7i3us.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87fyppi8cl.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87mzjxdk66.fsf@jurta.org> <85iruk4qnf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87br0co9ym.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87zmnwmhlv.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <87irujq3ls.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85psorzskw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87acfv60ne.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> Reply-To: belanger@truman.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132950286 2753 80.91.229.2 (25 Nov 2005 20:24:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: belanger@truman.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 25 21:24:38 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Efk6B-0000hx-I4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:23:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Efk63-0005Dg-Pl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:23:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Efk5m-0005DS-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:22:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Efk5f-0005Bv-7o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Efk5f-0005Bs-3D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:22:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [24.116.0.229] (helo=S3.cableone.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Efk5Y-0000v9-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:22:33 -0500 Original-Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.117.225.205]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 38141964 for multiple; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:37:31 -0700 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Sascha Wilde's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:48:20 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 94, in=36, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.225.205 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46581 Archived-At: Sascha Wilde writes: > Jay Belanger wrote: > >> The sequence `C-x*' has the slight advantage of using a math operator >> at the cost of being slightly more difficult to type. > > I like this one. Its mnemonic, easy enough to type (at least on US and > germane Layouts) and Richard said he wouldn't object. Robert J. Chassell writes: > On an American keyboard, the prefix `C-x*' is harder to type than > `C-x\'. (I do not know about other keyboards with default bindings. > As far as I know, `C-x\' is undefined.) How much harder do you find it? Given that you agree that `C-x\' should be avoided, do you find `C-x*' too awkward? Robert J. Chassell later wrote: >> Well, on a french keyboard, the `\' key is AltGR+8 > > That is bad. We should avoid it. Perhaps we could follow Juri > Linkov's suggestion: > > Another variant ... is the equals sign. > > `C-x =' is currently occupied by the help commands > `what-cursor-position' and `describe-char'. But Kim recently > suggested to rebind them to `C-h c', so `C-x =' will be available > for calc. Since `C-x=' won't be available, it seems to come down to `C-x*' and `C-x\'. (There are others available, but none of which seem to have any advantages, and these two have gotten the green light.) The awkwardness of `C-x\' on some keyboards seems to outweigh it's advantage on the American keyboard. The `C-x*' isn't as nice for me as `C-x\', but I still don't find it that bad. Unless there are serious objections, it looks to me like `C-x*' is the best choice. Jay