From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org
Subject: RE: New start up splash screen annoyance...
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:39:49 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ejgq3pp6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BNELLINCGFJLDJIKDGACEEPICCAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>
Drew Adams writes:
> > So how about giving them a [X] in the divider? This lack is a UI bug
> > independent of the splash spiel.
>
> I was almost going to suggest that, or something similar: Add an `X' button
> to (all) mode lines at the far right,
That's pretty much what I'm suggesting. An alternative would be a
grip that could be dragged until the smaller window disappeared, at
which point the modeline itself would go *poof*.
> But I remembered that we already have `mouse-3' on the mode-line bound to
> `mouse-delete-window'.
Surely you didn't type that with a straight face! Jane Noob is going
to have the special meaning of button 3 on the modeline memorized? I
don't think so. It's this kind of thing that results in Dired having
4 ways to say "next line" with people suggesting adding another.
The point of a GUI is to provide ways to do common operations that are
convenient and easily visible on-screen, so you don't have to remember
them.
Emacsen have introduced some interesting, elegant, and subtle ways to
use the UI. What they aren't is obvious or consistent with the GUI
gestures users are familiar with from the Mac or Windows. Users (who
don't think of Emacs as the obvious way to interact with all their
applications) need to be reminded of them.
> But keep this thread rolling...
No, I'm serious about this separate from the issue of the splash
screen. If we want to encourage new users to learn to use (Emacs)
windows, it would be a big help if the GUI provided gestures to
operate on them in a mnemonic way.
After all, what is an Emacs frame but a tiled window manager? We
should present it that way to the user.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-23 5:39 UTC|newest]
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2007-09-09 13:56 New start up splash screen annoyance Sascha Wilde
2007-09-09 14:40 ` Leo
2007-09-09 17:32 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 21:20 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-09 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 17:00 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 18:19 ` Leo
2007-09-11 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 21:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 22:59 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 17:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 20:57 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 2:48 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 5:44 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-12 5:57 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 7:06 ` dhruva
2007-09-12 7:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 11:36 ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-13 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 7:17 ` Tramp (was: Folding emacsclient into emacs) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 8:03 ` Tramp David Kastrup
2007-09-12 8:17 ` Tramp Michael Albinus
2007-09-12 20:20 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Tom Tromey
2007-09-12 20:48 ` Leo
2007-09-13 6:10 ` Jan Djärv
2007-09-12 11:17 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:37 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 15:08 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 15:15 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 23:36 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 19:08 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-13 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 7:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 7:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 9:04 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 11:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 8:22 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 5:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 18:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 4:08 ` dhruva
2007-09-16 7:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 10:57 ` dhruva
2007-09-16 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 11:27 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-19 23:45 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 0:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 1:24 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 8:50 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 18:34 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-21 12:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 16:34 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Davis Herring
2007-09-12 7:02 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 14:07 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 9:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2007-09-12 12:36 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-13 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 8:21 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:24 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 8:36 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-13 8:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 11:12 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-14 18:54 ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-13 23:43 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-14 6:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 18:43 ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-14 20:15 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-14 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-14 21:38 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-15 14:48 ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-15 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-16 5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 8:04 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 8:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-16 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 7:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 0:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 5:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 22:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 5:39 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 9:30 ` Leo
2007-09-18 10:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 15:00 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-18 15:34 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 16:51 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-19 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 5:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 16:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 13:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-19 14:10 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-19 16:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-18 20:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-18 22:17 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-18 19:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 22:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-19 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 23:46 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 0:24 ` Leo
2007-09-21 12:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 11:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-20 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 15:30 ` dhruva
2007-09-20 15:39 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-20 15:52 ` Bastien
2007-09-20 15:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 15:49 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 16:21 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-21 18:01 ` Sean Sieger
2007-09-21 19:38 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:46 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-22 11:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 17:45 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-20 18:35 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 19:12 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:19 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 20:13 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 20:22 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 23:57 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 7:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-21 22:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:11 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-22 20:03 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 20:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 23:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23 0:33 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2007-09-23 7:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:20 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 22:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:40 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:59 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 19:45 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 0:35 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-09-26 1:54 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-26 14:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 21:56 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 15:10 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:47 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-09-25 19:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 22:52 ` David Reitter
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 18:37 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:14 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 17:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:38 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:37 ` David Reitter
2007-09-25 21:03 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 7:59 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 14:59 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:03 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:15 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:10 ` echo area clicks: *Messages* David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:49 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 20:40 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-25 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 5:01 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-25 23:36 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 14:06 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 19:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-23 20:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 1:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24 2:00 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 20:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 16:59 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:25 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 15:46 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-23 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 7:03 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-26 16:29 ` mode line [X] Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 13:46 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Didier Verna
2007-09-22 20:01 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 4:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-23 7:50 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 11:22 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 22:33 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-24 6:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 20:07 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:15 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 20:17 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 20:23 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:28 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-21 22:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:12 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 11:22 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 21:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 23:55 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-25 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 20:28 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 17:37 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-22 11:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 14:59 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-20 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 8:15 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-09-16 9:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-17 22:03 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-17 22:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-18 5:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 5:43 ` dhruva
2007-09-15 10:17 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 18:55 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 22:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-17 0:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:20 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-19 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 18:57 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-16 4:41 ` tomas
2007-09-16 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-16 22:12 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-17 4:04 ` tomas
2007-09-16 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 22:08 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-13 7:52 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 7:51 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-14 8:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-10 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 19:09 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 22:07 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:10 ` Leo
2007-09-10 23:19 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:24 ` Leo
2007-09-12 0:40 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-14 8:11 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-09 21:27 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-09 21:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-10 1:13 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 23:48 ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-03 20:18 ` KingBolete
2007-10-04 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-08 4:16 ` tomas
2007-10-08 19:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 20:03 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-10 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-10 22:36 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 (was: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Sven Joachim
2007-11-10 22:43 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 1:14 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Richard Stallman
2007-10-09 6:39 ` tomas
2007-10-26 5:21 ` tomas
2007-09-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 2:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-10 5:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 23:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 0:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-11 5:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 8:45 ` Richard Stallman
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