From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: apropos commands for commands, user options, all functions, all variables Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:43:00 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ejfhy2cv.fsf@jurta.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193438827 30103 80.91.229.12 (26 Oct 2007 22:47:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 27 00:47:08 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IlXxM-0000V4-0Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:47:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXxD-0006ss-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXx0-0006bw-2k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXwy-0006XV-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXwx-0006X5-Ob for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:43 -0400 Original-Received: from gnome.kiev.sovam.com ([212.109.32.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IlXwr-0008QZ-4w; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:37 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by gnome.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IlXwf-000Hyb-5O; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:46:25 +0300 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlXwc-0008fO-KD; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:46:23 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu\, 25 Oct 2007 23\:48\:45 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 7b6940144bc5d56bdacd12344196c2df X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1690 [Oct 27 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 25 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81805 Archived-At: > I made set-variable read only user option names because I thought > it was mainly useful for non-Lisp-programmers who wouldn't > know about typing setq. For non-Lisp-programmers a better way to change values of user options is by using the Customization interface. It also provides commands to change values in the minibuffer: commands `customize-set-value' and `customize-set-variable' that work very like the current implementation of `set-variable'. Since `set-variable' was also intended to change the values of user options with the leading * in their docstrings, I think a new command `set-option' should be added with the body of current `set-variable', and `set-variable' should allow modifying any variable. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/