From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:41:01 +0900 Message-ID: <87ejd2z5jm.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20071231214108.GD26639@thyrsus.com> <87fxxi1k4k.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20080101010654.GJ26639@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199151690 22512 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2008 01:41:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 01 02:41:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9W8U-0002RJ-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:41:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9W88-0000Gf-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:41:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9W85-0000GI-Nc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:41:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9W83-0000G6-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:41:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9W83-0000G3-60 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:41:15 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp02.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.72]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9W7v-0001Wx-U1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:41:08 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-216-100-219.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.100.219] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1J9W7t-0000Kw-RD; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:41:05 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6AAB62FF7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:41:03 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <20080101010654.GJ26639@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:06:54 -0500") Original-Lines: 23 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85793 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: > They're not fashionistas. They have a belief, which is not badly founded > given the evidence available to them, that the Emacs project is old, > tired, badly run, and effectively moribund. Are they judging the software, or the "project"? In my activitiy as a "branch merger", as well as reading the mailing list, I see the activity of the Emacs project in a fair amount of detail. It's quite clear to me that while the Emacs project is obviously old (hard to change that :-), it's neither "tired" nor "moribund"; indeed, sometimes I rather wish people would be a bit _less_ enthusiastic about making changes.... :-/ [Note that I'm all for moving to more modern tools. Subversion is probably not a great choice though -- if we're going to change, we should change to one of the distributed systems like git.] -Miles -- The key to happiness is having dreams. [from a fortune cookie]