From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: evangelizing Emacs with a graphical tutorial Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:33:18 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ej5xxye9.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsjqg2br.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87prpi73ln.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215985395 23490 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2008 21:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 13 23:44:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KI9MM-0005G7-94 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:43:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50303 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9LU-0007wX-4I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9LP-0007wL-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:42:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9LN-0007vx-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:42:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53942 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9LM-0007vu-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:42:57 -0400 Original-Received: from relay03.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.201]:54598) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KI9LL-0000Je-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay03.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KI9LJ-000DOe-5S; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:42:53 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87prpi73ln.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:30:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 88f972a75cd389d721acc69b695bb680 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4303 [July 13 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100649 Archived-At: >> Everyone will still see it on the startup screen. Anyway, this line >> is less noticeable than the line "Emacs Tutorial Learn basic keystroke >> commands", so when the user visits the Tutorial without reading >> anything else on the startup screen, then the user misses this important >> information on the beginning of the Tutorial. So I also propose to add >> this line to the Tutorial as well. The following path does this: > > Sounds good. Another unfriendly thing on the Startup screen is the item: Emacs Guided Tour Overview of Emacs features It has no obvious indication that it links to the external URL and that after clicking will start a WWW browser. It has the description on the tooltip but this is not visible when the mouse is not over it. I propose to explicitly say that this link leads to the external URL by changing the text to: Emacs Guided Tour Overview of Emacs features at gnu.org -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/