From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johannes Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87ej4r7mft.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <87tzdn7sar.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218720814 9764 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2008 13:33:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 14 15:34:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KTcxi-0007pl-B7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:33:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41599 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTcwl-0000IA-Th for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:32:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTcvl-0007f3-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTcvj-0007d9-Nk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42257 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTcvj-0007cu-FV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from saeurebad.de ([85.214.36.134]:42783) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KTcvV-0007BL-PV; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: by saeurebad.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 19A802F00CA; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (83-221-69-159.dynamic.primacom.net [83.221.69.159]) by saeurebad.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2ED2F00C4; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:40 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:54:32 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000974, version=1.1.3 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102453 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > You always assume people are stupid. Please don't do that, it > really offends me. > > I have no idea where you got that from. I never made such an > assumption, I am quite naive when it comes to people, and think the > best of them. By saying the user is subjugated you place him under disability. It's not that someone would coerce you with death threats into using a proprietary module for Emacs if it did support loading these things. > Some people are annoyed by the transient mark, some are not. Even > if all maintainers would find that feature annoying, it would be a > good thing to have it anyway for some people might find it useful. > > TTM doesn't have the side effect of alllowing someone to subjugate the > rights of a user, loadable modules do. Again, the user has the right to choose. As I said, you might forbid cars with the same argument, i.e. it could be harmful to the user. Your basic assumption is that if someone writes non-free software, the user would be totally helpless and enslaved by the author. This is not true! The person would be in a position she chose to be in BY FREE WILL. Hannes