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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
Cc: Oleksandr Gavenko <gavenkoa@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Status of IPA patch?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:05:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eiqvpyxe.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19095.20639.983609.638911@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:35:59 +0100")

>  > >  > The omission of those two was intentional, since U+20A7 is
>  > >  > equivalent to tʃ (note that that digraph doesn’t include the tie
>  > >  > that would be necessary to have it as a phoneme distinct from /t/
>  > >  > followed by /ʃ/) and g is equivalent to U+0261 for the purposes of
>  > >  > the IPA.
>  >
>  > I don’t understand why do you omit U+20A7 and U+0261 if they exist in
>  > X-SAMPA and Kirshenbaum?
>
> The IPA standards (which X-SAMPA and Kirshenbaum build on) define _U+20A7_
> and _U+0261_ as being equivalent to _a succession of U+0074 and U+0283_, and
> _U+0067_, respectively. The former two code points just represent
> compatibility glyphs (with U+20A7 leading to needless confusion, since
> people might reasonably believe that it meant the same as U+0074 U+2040
> U+0283, including the tie I mention above).

Since these are three most popular ways to represent this sound,
I think we should support all of them:

1. a ligature ʧ (U+02A7)
2. two symbols tʃ (U+0074 U+0283)
3. two symbols joined with a tie t͡ʃ (U+0074 U+2040 U+0283)

This can be done with a non-deterministic quail guidance string
displaying a menu of possible variants.

> Kirshenbaum mentions ASCII g as mapping to both U+0067 and U+0261 without
> comment. Including both would not add to the semantic range of what the user
> can input (in terms of the IPA), and would again be needlessly confusing
> (the user types g; wonders if 0 or 1 is more appropriate; when it doesn’t
> actually matter,

I agree there is no sense to create a menu of both U+0067 and U+0261,
so we should keep only the IPA symbol U+0261, because U+0067 is easy
to type anyway without an input method.

> and U+0067 is always more certain to be preserved by software).

The problem of preserving by software is not specific to U+0261,
but rather to the most of IPA symbols.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-28 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4A807E29.1030405@gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <19072.33612.609778.383349@parhasard.net>
2009-08-25  8:51   ` Status of IPA patch? Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-25 16:06     ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-25 16:23       ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-28  0:32     ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-28  3:35       ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-28  7:35         ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-28  7:37           ` Miles Bader
2009-08-28 12:24             ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-28 19:06               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-28 19:37                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-28 19:45                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-28 19:05         ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2009-08-28 19:07     ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-28 19:47       ` Aidan Kehoe
2009-08-28 19:57         ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29  3:17           ` Stefan Monnier

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