From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:14:47 +0900 Message-ID: <87eijgi8zs.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> <87vdcui6oh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k4ta2g6m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269016824 18147 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2010 16:40:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 17:40:18 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsfFA-0000n7-FE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:40:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49334 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsfF9-0006F4-RZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nserv-0003pZ-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60365 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nserq-0003n0-Eu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nserl-0005x3-7b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:36458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NserS-0005uB-Ks; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:15:46 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24D31535B3; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:15:43 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 302321A3800; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:14:47 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87k4ta2g6m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122288 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > > Emacs newbies are busy just getting used to fundamental differences > > that really matter (the ability to navigate by mark, > > Which is seriously impacted by delete-selection-mode. For you, using Emacs. Not for me, using XEmacs (where zemacs-regions is not quite t-m-m, and pending-delete mode is not quite delsel). I did have to learn to use C-u C-SPC instead of C-x C-x, which took a while, and cost time. I may have lost some data, but probably not; "C-x C-x a" usually has pretty spectacular results in pending-delete mode, and AFAICR I was always able to recover with undo, while the embarrassment and frustration had a salutary effect on my learning curve. Not to mention more time spent using OOo and Mozilla than I'd really like helped with the educational process. Dunno if this would work for you, of course. (The most important question would likely be whether C-u C-SPC can substitute for C-x C-x in your usage patterns.) But that was/is my experience.