From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:34:39 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87eigcy4pc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83iq5oliet.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276335324 22304 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 09:35:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:35:24 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 11:35:22 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONN7Z-0002Zx-0D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:35:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41280 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONN7X-0001Dr-CD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:35:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42986 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONN7K-0001Br-8P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONN7H-0001iM-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:33410) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONN7H-0001hW-9y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONN78-0002FG-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:34:54 +0200 Original-Received: from p5b2c2a46.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.42.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:34:54 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2a46.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:34:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ connect(): No such file or directory Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2a46.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CiHvJOKsq81wfuz4bHNJammUXrQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125792 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:47:41 -0400 >> >> > (I am still dubious about decoupling the arrow keys and C-f/C-b >> > keybindings. Maybe we should provide a separate set of keybindings >> > instead.) >> >> It's actually not really decoupled. >> It just switches between "C-f = right and C-b = left" and >> "C-f = left and C-b = right" based on the paragraph's direction. >> Which seems eminently meaningful since the associating between >> "forward" and "right" is just based on our usual convention of >> writing L2R. > > Exactly. > > That's also my hope. And until and unless we hear otherwise from > users of bidirectional scripts, I don't recommend considering any > changes in that. I use left and right cursor keys (actually, all cursor keys) together with autorepeat for visual navigation: you press the key down, follow the movement, and stop when you are pretty much there. Logical movement is not good for that. -- David Kastrup