From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [beuc@gnu.org: Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] bzr move from sftp:// to bzr+ssh:// [done]] Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: <87eibyc6yk.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <87sk0examu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286730446 25693 80.91.229.12 (10 Oct 2010 17:07:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 10 19:07:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P4zMp-0000Q9-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:07:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50031 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4zMp-0003hb-59 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=43265 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4zMj-0003hW-En for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4zMi-0002E4-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:07:17 -0400 Original-Received: from osh-net-219-98.onshore.net ([66.146.219.98]:55494 helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4zMi-0002E0-3P; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46012 helo=floss ident=kfogel) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4zMh-0002vE-Fc; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:07:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87sk0examu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:42:17 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131591 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: >Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Reportedly, there were some untold difficulties to do so. Given the >> number of minutes it took today, I have my doubts. Hardly "untold"; see below. >The great Chinese emperor commissioned a painting of a rooster from a >famous artist. The artist told him that it would take considerable >time. After months and months of reminders and delays, the emperor went >to artist in person and entered his house, telling him that he would >stay at his place until the painting was done. The artist put an empty >canvas on the scaffold [ok, somebody better versed in Chinese art please >substitute the correct materials here], took his brush and ink, and with >few swift and determined strokes put the perfect likeness of a rooster >to the canvas, scarcely taking a minute. > >The emperor was furious: "You let me wait that long for a painting >taking a minute? What for?". Without a word, the artist opened the >door to his work room: the room was plastered, wall and ceiling, with >different paintings of roosters, stacks of them piling up on the floor. As one of the rooster painters, I can say it was not just a matter of minutes for someone unfamiliar with the GNU systems and trying to do it in a maintainable way :-). Perhaps it was that easy for Sylvain; in any case I'm glad he was able to get to it. In public posts, I detailed some of this. Elsethread from the below, you can see some of the problems I ran into, how long it could sometimes take to get questions answered, etc. This is *not* to blame the GNU sysadmins: they are volunteers, they work hard, and there is always too much to do. It's just not an easy system for integrating new volunteers or drive-by contributions, unfortunately. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers-public/2010-05/msg00024.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers-public/2010-06/msg00015.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/savannah-hackers-public/2010-05/threads.html#00001 When I finally decided I didn't have time to deal with it, I also posted publicly saying that I was off the job, and referencing the above posts both to explain why and to show the status to whoever might pick it up. All credit to Sylvain for getting it done. -Karl